Shop Drawings
Shop Drawings
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I have had a rash of client lately sending preliminary drawings out to detailing. These are drawings that would normally be used for coordination and pricing purposes. The problem is that the drawings are not well checked and are usually refined for the final set. This is creating extra markups on the drawings and in general creating more work during the shop drawing review phase (as there tends to be more markups). It is also creating the possibility for more errors to be made (as more things need to be checked something is ultimately going to be missed). I am beginning to think I should just start rejecting the drawings rather than marking them up but I know that won't go over well with anyone.
This has happened recently back to back projects with two separate clients.
What does the engineering community do in this instance?
This has happened recently back to back projects with two separate clients.
What does the engineering community do in this instance?






RE: Shop Drawings
Some US states require this of engineers as well....no partial or partially completed drawings can be "published" without an explicit disclaimer that it is not for construction.
Construction...the term here includes shop drawing preparation.
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Dave
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RE: Shop Drawings
If my client thinks that it's important that I review shop drawings based on non-IFC drawings, then usually I do. You know... client's always being right and all that. My only recourse is really to try to price the loss into my next job with that client. I imagine that's tougher to do on the fabricator side however.
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
RE: Shop Drawings
Sometimes we issue a permit set to the local building dept so they can review the drawings and issue a building permit. The building dept almost always requires a permit set to be signed/sealed. Although permit sets are close to 100%, more often than not, they are around 90% and marked For Permit Only - Not for Construction.
As for the shop drawings, we do not review the shop drawings in detail until signed/sealed construction drawings are issued. Yes, the contractor will try to submit shop drawings based on less than complete structural drawings but we simply don't have time or budget to review shop drawings over and over (we barely have time to check our own drawings). But, if/when we do get shop drawings too early we will take a quick glance at them and review them for information only (basically acknowledging them as incomplete and non-reviewable). That way people don't get bent out of shape when they see the word "Rejected" on a submittal.
RE: Shop Drawings
But then again, their customer (the contractor) is also always right...
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If the owner is taking it upon himself to do issue the shop drawings, in some jurisdictions he becomes the Constructor and is liable for safety, etc.
Dik
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When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty but when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong.
-R. Buckminster Fuller
RE: Shop Drawings