INTELLIGENT WORK FORUMS
FOR ENGINEERING PROFESSIONALS

Log In

Come Join Us!

Are you an
Engineering professional?
Join Eng-Tips Forums!
  • Talk With Other Members
  • Be Notified Of Responses
    To Your Posts
  • Keyword Search
  • One-Click Access To Your
    Favorite Forums
  • Automated Signatures
    On Your Posts
  • Best Of All, It's Free!

*Eng-Tips's functionality depends on members receiving e-mail. By joining you are opting in to receive e-mail.

Posting Guidelines

Promoting, selling, recruiting, coursework and thesis posting is forbidden.

Jobs

2.4 Volt Diode vs. 3.6 volt diode

2.4 Volt Diode vs. 3.6 volt diode

(OP)
Our firm is using a pressure transducer in an application and the circuit design
uses a 2.4 volt diode on the output. We have seen some of the diodes become blown due
to transient spikes. We know that at one point the manufacturer had considered a 3.6 volt diode
on the output. The question of susceptibility came up between the two diodes. Would a 3.6 volt diode be
less susceptible to voltage stresses than a 2.4 volt diode?

RE: 2.4 Volt Diode vs. 3.6 volt diode

In and of itself, it wouldn't. It will depend upon what the other specs of the diode are, particularly the peak inverse voltage (PIV).

Dan - Owner
http://www.Hi-TecDesigns.com

RE: 2.4 Volt Diode vs. 3.6 volt diode

There are no 2.4V "diodes" unless you mean Zener Diodes.
Your application sounds rather odd. Why would your device need a Zener on its output? Does your device cause "the spikes"?

Or do you really mean your device's input - supplied by the pressure transducer?

Is the Zener there to protect your circuit from spikes coming in on the pressure transducer leads?

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: 2.4 Volt Diode vs. 3.6 volt diode

(OP)
It is a zener diode and is located between the negative legs for power and output signal.

RE: 2.4 Volt Diode vs. 3.6 volt diode

If one end is on the negative leg and the other end is pointing to (and connected to) the output then the diode is there to protect the circuit from spikes coming from the output of the transducer. Hard to believe there's enough power in the spikes to blow the zener. Are you sure the transducer isn't putting out a DC voltage greater than 2.4 volts?

RE: 2.4 Volt Diode vs. 3.6 volt diode

Areo you are not successfully clarifying anything. Nothing you're describing is making any logical sense to sound electronic design. Either the setup is completely screwed up or dabblers are running a'muck. If you want good help you need to provide more clearer information.

How about a schematic or napkin sketch or something useful.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

RE: 2.4 Volt Diode vs. 3.6 volt diode

Thanks for the schematic. That helps a LOT.

I don't like what I'm seeing here. But aside from that, to answer your question, the susceptibility of damage between the two voltages is not normally a considered issue only that the Zener knee of the part's Voltage/Current curve is mushier on the lower voltage. What blows the diodes since their PIVs are not the thing dying is the current thru them. The power a Zener will have to dissipate is its zener voltage x the current.

So, the current from the white wire heading to the black wire is causing power to be dissipated in the zener. So much that the zener is baking-dead. Adding a higher voltage zener could prevent the burn outs if and only if the voltage difference is higher than 2.4V but lower than 3.6V a condition I suspect is not the case.

I don't see 'noise' or 'spikes' as causing the zener's travails. More like a steady state difference between the BLACK and the WHITE wires. Often these mickey-mouse jury rigs like the zener have issues with power-up or power-down as capacitors are being charged or discharge. If the 'signal conditioner' has a bunch of capacitance then when the 28V supply is shut off that capacitance can raise the WHITE voltage above the BLACK voltage causing the capacitance to discharge thru the zener and frying it.

I'd look at the voltage across the zener during all phases of operation to see what's up; during running, power-on, and power-off periods. If it looks like the zener voltage is reached only during power-off then the scenario I described above is the likely problem. If the zener voltage is always present in all three described cases then you need to cut in an ammeter and see what's going on. If transients are suspected then you tag in a 1 ohm resistor between the top of the zener and the WHITE wire and using a scope grounded only to the WHITE wire and across the resistor you can then watch for fast large current events.

The current is the voltage/resistor. The power being dumped in the zener is that current times the zener voltage. Compare that to the allowed power of that specific zener on its data sheet.

There is also a chance this is about the other things happening on the WHITE wire coming from off to the right. Perhaps those electronics are being powered by the same 28V supply and this dumb zener scheme is being tripped up by it.

Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com

Red Flag This Post

Please let us know here why this post is inappropriate. Reasons such as off-topic, duplicates, flames, illegal, vulgar, or students posting their homework.

Red Flag Submitted

Thank you for helping keep Eng-Tips Forums free from inappropriate posts.
The Eng-Tips staff will check this out and take appropriate action.

Reply To This Thread

Posting in the Eng-Tips forums is a member-only feature.

Click Here to join Eng-Tips and talk with other members!


Resources


Close Box

Join Eng-Tips® Today!

Join your peers on the Internet's largest technical engineering professional community.
It's easy to join and it's free.

Here's Why Members Love Eng-Tips Forums:

Register now while it's still free!

Already a member? Close this window and log in.

Join Us             Close