Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
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So... kinda need my Oregon PE/SE for some work that I've got on the go. By virtue of previous efforts in California and Washington, I meet all of the requirements save one:
In Oregon you have to be a PE before you can be an SE. And you can't be an SE unless you've taken the civil version of the PE exam and only the civil version. I took the Stuctures I exam for my PE back when that used to be an option but Oregon won't accept that.
If there's anyone else out there who's dealt with this, I'd love to hear about your experience. If I have to go back to square two (I do have FE), it's going to make for a rather unpleasant/unprofitable fall season for KootK. KootK no like.
In Oregon you have to be a PE before you can be an SE. And you can't be an SE unless you've taken the civil version of the PE exam and only the civil version. I took the Stuctures I exam for my PE back when that used to be an option but Oregon won't accept that.
If there's anyone else out there who's dealt with this, I'd love to hear about your experience. If I have to go back to square two (I do have FE), it's going to make for a rather unpleasant/unprofitable fall season for KootK. KootK no like.
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.






RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Back in Spring 2013 I took the PE - Civil with structural concentration for the afternoon. Will they accept that? If so, you could pass that test with your eyes closed. It's a joke.
Ironically, I took that on Friday and then SE part 2 on Saturday. (I passed the SE part 1 the previous fall). The difference in exams was unimaginable. SE>>PE
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Yes, they would. And that's very encouraging to hear. If I sit it in October, I'll probably have to write it blind. I've got a new venture on the go work-wise and I don't see having any serious time to study.
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
https://www.amazon.com/Civil-Engineering-Reference...
Turn through the pages and tab it.
Show up for the exam.
You will pass.
Celebrate.
Seriously though, I don't remember a single question I wasn't sure of the answer. I might have missed some, but I would have bet the farm on almost all of them. Some were plug and chug.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
I'm in the same boat for NJ where I took the 16 hour SE in lieu of the PE exam.
Professional and Structural Engineer (ME, NH, MA)
American Concrete Industries
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RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Your wife must be an engineer...or a nut! Why else would someone have that book
My wife (not an engineer) reads murder mysteries. If I gave her an engineering exam study guide to read, she would probably throw it back at me
DaveAtkins
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
looks like not many aren't going through what you are.
The PE (civil - structural) really was a joke. Super basic. But if memory serves well, the Civil-only might be pretty tough. I remember thinking that I failed the FE when i took Civil-only because i literally had to Christmas tree most of the afternoon test.
I previously studied for the SE, went through the whole PPI SE book (even have a masters) and i just gave up.
I don't think i need it in FL, it seemed like such a drag, and its so expensive.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
I second the CERM. The practice problems book is also a good idea.
Ugh, and good luck.
Please remember: we're not all guys!
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
I'll ask TME, that's an excellent suggestion.
I bloody wish. Maybe you should join me for the exam up in Edmonton in October? We'll do it up modified wolf of wall-street style. You know: hookers, blow, Reverse Polish Notation, and intense suffering. I've got a business proposition that I'll eventually need to run by you anyhow.
Yep. I swore that I'd do it by 35 so I'm already several years behind schedule. I figure that one should do it early enough that, if you tank, you can still go back to a 9-5 and have enough time left on the clock to eek out a modest retirement. Plus, my gal just made partner at an outfit where that is quite lucrative. To celebrate, I brought home some wine and the news that I'd be sponging off her for the foreseeable future.
A structural engineer no less. It has pluses and minuses. She's more the managerial type while I tend to focus on the intense technical things that clients don't care about at all.
These were my wife's comments verbatim. She graduated from one of those nifty architectural engineering schools (MSOE). As far as I can tell, the curriculum is actually an improvement over civil if you know that you're headed to building structural anyhow. And yes... Ugh! I thought that I'd pretty much done it all and could finally rest my weary bones and inferior NCEES approved calculators.
Just some curtain wall / sculpture stuff. They actually told me the same thing back in 2010. They said that they wouldn't commit to it in writing but SEI was going through on commity reviews. At the time, I still had a lot of licensing work to do in WA and CA which I considered to be bigger fish. Figured I'd circle back to OR afterwards if I saw any logic doing so. I've yet to do anything in WA and CA and now all of a sudden I've got two projects and a client who's killing it in Oregon. But, of course, now the comity option is gone and SEI is black listed.
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Is your home base CA?
There have to be other "issues"...
Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA)
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
And KootK is from the other CA (bigger, colder, doesn't make me pull my hair out to drive a car there).
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
1) Canadian citizen currently based in Canada.
2) I used to pay child support but there were no delinquencies.
3) My NCEES record is in a state of utter disarray thanks to the system "upgrade".
4) that pesky registered sex offender thing.
5) Did fail WA SE III twice.
I was a walk through with Sacranento once I got all he right boxes checked.
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA)
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA)
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
That threw me off a bit. Farcical joke?
"It is imperative Cunth doesn't get his hands on those codes."
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Of course there are. For a comprehensive academic explanation research Milton Friedman’s dissertation on professional licensure.
I’ve been arguing for a while now that Oregon (in particular) would tighten their regulations for one specific reason: the bordering states to their north and south have very stringent requirements for licensure. In a free market that’s an intolerable situation. That is, Oregon cannot possibly stave off competition from their bordering states if the deck is stacked against them in that manner.
It’s the same reason that Illinois (read: Chicago skyscraper engineers) protected themselves against competition from New York engineers…who themselves know a thing or two about skyscrapers. Come to think of it, I understand New Jersey might be making it tough to get licensure…and, say, how far away from NY is NJ, anyway?
What Oregon should have done is something akin to what the clothing retailer did when he faced stiff competition from each side: put up a sign that said, “Main Entrance.”
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Whenever you want to discuss that last thing I'm all ears.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
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RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
an amazingly long distance, in intangibles [such as PE standards]. Physically, the Geo Washington bridge regularly takes over one hour to cross, driving as fast as possible.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
I did my best to rip NCEES a new one on their Facebook page regarding this. They seem to have no concept of what they've done to existing record holders. "It only takes a few minutes to get updated references" they said... took me 1.5 months to get my records transmitted. Thank goodness I was just applying to a state without having any work there yet. I would honestly abandon your old NCEES records if you suddenly need a new license ASAP.
Professional and Structural Engineer (ME, NH, MA)
American Concrete Industries
www.americanconcrete.com
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
I haven't renewed this year (yet).......what is this upgrade and why is it creating issues?
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Really? In that case congratulations to you! You already seem to be involved in some pretty large scale stuff which is impressive. If I'm able to get as far as you before I give myself the gold watch, I'll be grinning from ear to ear.
No, I'm not actually a registered sex offender. I plan to cling to my amateur status for as long as I can. Hey, if live pigeon shooting was able to be an Olympic sport...
Gimme six months. I plan to need boots on the ground out your way for client loving, cakewalk field review, and local market intel. Don't worry, unless I grossly misunderstand your situation, we'll not be competitors.
Ughh... hate to be the bearer of bad news. How bad it is very much depends on how old your record is. Mine was established in '05. Basically, my record has been deactivated and will stay that way until I somehow recreate / reinstate a bunch of the old documentation that was submitted on paper. To be honest, I'm unsure of the depth of the problem myself. I found out in the process of my OR application and had too much going on to get it sorted at that time. I managed to barely get one last transmittal out before the rolled out the new system. I received the message below from NCEES via email on June 22. If you didn't receive something similar, perhaps your record is new enough that you won't be inconvenienced. In NCEES's defense, the new system looks greatly improved. The way it's being implemented just strikes me as a bit cruel to some of us NCEES record long timers.
Your NCEES Record was established before we implemented an electronic application process. While we’ve been able to accomplish a lot with your data in its original format, it needs to be updated to an electronic format to meet the current needs of state licensing boards. Re-establishing your Record in an electronic format will take some work on your part. However, your Record will be reviewed and the relevant forms containing work history and education information will be made available to you in PDF format to make it easier. You will be notified via email when your documentation is available. How to re-establish your NCEES Record
Complete the online application
After receiving your documentation, log in to MyNCEES, select Multi-State Licensure from the dashboard, and complete the required steps to satisfy the prerequisites for the new Records system.
Transmit your Record
When all pre-requisites are satisfied, you will be able to select a state licensing board and transmit your Record. Your first transmittal fee will be waived.
Final review
NCEES will complete a final review of your Record and transmit it to the appropriate state licensing board.
Your new NCEES Record will meet the updated specifications and make it fast, easy, and convenient when applying for comity licensure.
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Therein lies the rub. You are too old - submitted your application before the age of electronics. You must have used your slide rule as I did.
Bummer dude...
Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA)
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Professional and Structural Engineer (ME, NH, MA)
American Concrete Industries
www.americanconcrete.com
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Just looked.....and apparently I am going to have to do the same thing. I don't get this: this is documentation that they should have been able to copy over to their "new" system themselves. Are they saying they don't have the manpower?
I sure hope I can remember everything.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Professional and Structural Engineer (ME, NH, MA)
American Concrete Industries
www.americanconcrete.com
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Imagine if you had high blood pressure and your doctor told you that you needed to lose 50 lbs in order to stave off a heart attack. Then, after you'd worked your ass off in the gym for two years to shed the weight, your doctor strapped you down, injected you with 50 lbs of bacon fat, and told you to start over. I might be less enraged by that turn of events than I am by this one.
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
The icing on the cake? I asked if the old work reference pdfs accumulated over the years would be transmitted to a board upon request.......the answer is “no”.
So what was the point of keeping those records all those years? Are they lost? Are they going to throw them out?
Un-friggin'-believable.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
1) My name.
2) The result of the V+L SE exams I took in 2012.
3) That I attended two post secondary institutions. They don't know the dates and I need to resubmit the transcripts.
Seriously, in my entire online NCEES record, that is all the information that exists. Yay for legacy linking! I had been assuming that my record was being copied into a database of some kind all along. What have they been using? Stone tablet? This is pretty much fraud in my estimation.
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Professional and Structural Engineer (ME, NH, MA)
American Concrete Industries
www.americanconcrete.com
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Professional and Structural Engineer (ME, NH, MA)
American Concrete Industries
www.americanconcrete.com
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Professional and Structural Engineer (ME, NH, MA)
American Concrete Industries
www.americanconcrete.com
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Now what exactly was the point of that considering what has happened here? I think I'm owed a refund.
And something else: when I had that MLSE designation put on my record......I had to get the state where I took the tests to send the results to NCEES. (Something I found pretty odd considering NCEES gives the test.) So looking at this list......do I need to get the same state to send the test scores AGAIN? (Twice inside of 5 years....to the SAME organization?)
This is screaming incompetence here.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
That has got to be the only time in history that "RPN" and "Blow and Hookers" has been used in the same sentence. Go RPN!
Good luck on your venture.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
NCEES is committed to providing quality products and services to facilitate mobility for professional engineers, surveyors, and our 70 member boards. We fell short of this commitment with the recent upgrades to our Records program. Longtime Record holders like you are among our most valued customers and I regret that we failed to anticipate and meet your expectations.
In order to meet the current needs of our member boards, the information contained within an NCEES Record must be updated to an electronic format. We recognize the frustration this has caused and are working hard to improve the process.
On October 12, we will launch a software update that will allow NCEES to transfer most of your existing information into the new system. You will no longer be required to re-submit and re-verify most of the documentation that was submitted as part of your original application. This will significantly reduce the amount of time and effort required to re-establish your Record in the new system.
Our records indicate you are currently in the process of re-establishing your information in the new system. If you would like to take advantage of the improved process, please send an email request to records@ncees.org. Include your name, 7-digit account ID number, and the state to which you need to transmit your Record. Any information you have already updated will be retained and become a part of your re-established Record. Please let us know if you are currently seeking comity licensure and have an immediate need to transmit your Record.
Whether you choose to take advantage of the improved process or choose to continue manually updating your information, we have waived the fee for your first transmittal in the new system. Again, I'm sorry we failed to meet your expectations. We take great pride in offering quality services and we are committed to providing the best level of customer service we can to our customers.
Sincerely,
NCEES Chief Executive Officer
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Nice work.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Professional Engineer (ME, NH, MA) Structural Engineer (IL)
American Concrete Industries
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RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Glad I held back on doing anything about this.....my gut instinct was that this wouldn't hold up if we all gave them enough hell about it.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Professional Engineer (ME, NH, MA) Structural Engineer (IL)
American Concrete Industries
www.americanconcrete.com
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
This may be one of the rare cases where my laziness has/will pay off.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Their reply: "There is no longer a renewal process. This new system relies on information being more updated than it was currently, so we don't want you to update information until you transmit (so it is as up to date as possible for transmittal). Updating items too soon may result in having to update them again."
That seems like a potential problem. If you went (say) 5-10 years without adding a state......and assuming we are still talking one reference per year.....I would think that would get to be a cumbersome task.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Professional Engineer (ME, NH, MA) Structural Engineer (IL)
American Concrete Industries
www.americanconcrete.com
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Anyhow, the advice that I was given in this thread regarding the exam was spot on. And it allowed me to plan my time very effectively in retrospect. Thanks a bundle guys.
Now to root around in my NCEES record to see what came of the mea culpa bonus migration business.... I gave up in frustration back in October and turned my back on the whole thing like an 80`s Metallica fan during an opening act.
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
RE: Rejected for OR PE/SE because I took SE1 for the PE
Professional Engineer (ME, NH, MA) Structural Engineer (IL)
American Concrete Industries
www.americanconcrete.com