Crushed glass fibers by joining screw
Crushed glass fibers by joining screw
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Hi there,
We are building some supporting plates made of G10 (FR4) due to its good mechanical properties and low thermal conductivity.
It is the first time we design something made of glass fiber and we have some concerns.
We managed to design the plates without making threads on the G10. On one side we will glue it and on the other side we will screw it to another threaded aluminiuim alloy part part.
For this second side we need to press the G10 with the screws head. I am concerned about breaking/damaging the fibers with the screw head.
Attached some pictures showing the setup. We use conical head screws to save space (we might find space for flat head and washers).
There are 2 positioning pins and two screws. Are positioning pins reliable on G10?
I have heard something about putting in some bushings, but I understand the bushing will press the fibers too.




How could we connect the plate?
thank you
We are building some supporting plates made of G10 (FR4) due to its good mechanical properties and low thermal conductivity.
It is the first time we design something made of glass fiber and we have some concerns.
We managed to design the plates without making threads on the G10. On one side we will glue it and on the other side we will screw it to another threaded aluminiuim alloy part part.
For this second side we need to press the G10 with the screws head. I am concerned about breaking/damaging the fibers with the screw head.
Attached some pictures showing the setup. We use conical head screws to save space (we might find space for flat head and washers).
There are 2 positioning pins and two screws. Are positioning pins reliable on G10?
I have heard something about putting in some bushings, but I understand the bushing will press the fibers too.




How could we connect the plate?
thank you





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The bar on the top is a good idea, but then all the force will be taken by the friction on the touches surfaces on the plates because of the screws. No shear.
Something like this (bar on the top in green, no adjustment with the positioning pins:
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Which edges do you mean? the rectangle corners? Attached some pictures.
We have 50Mpa on the pins/screws area.
According to Matweb, the G10 has a Tensile Strength at Break of 262MPa in the direction across the fibers.
I understand the bearing stress is supported by the resin in shear (direction across the fibers). Picture attached
For the shearing I divide the 262 Mpa by the square root of 3 (von Misses) and I get 151Mpa. Can a resin bear 151Mpa??
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https://www.grainger.com/product/31AX91?gclid=Cj0K...
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1) composites are not isotropic materials,
2) you cannot in any way use a tensile strength to estimate bearing strength
3) the tensile strength is largely driven by the fibers
4) the resin strength is significantly less
5) I thought G10 laminates use a fabric weave, not a unidirectional fiber layup. If it only has uni fibers, then it is the wrong material for parts with holes; you want a material with at least fibers in two directions such as warp and fill in a fabric; better yet to have fibers in 0, +45, -45, 90 degree directions.
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I've read your message sereral times, but I still don't understand which edges you mean. I am not English native speaker and I get lost. Which edge do you mean? Here a picture with different colours (red, blue, green and pink)
SWComposites,
How can I know the G10 bearing strength?
I have contacted the G10 supplier to know how the plates are made. My only experience with it was a circular rod, the fibers were unidirectional.
Thank you
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I thought there would be a relation between yield and bearing strengths. We will order some parts for testing.
Thank you all
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Just a last question.
We are going to order some testing parts of the plates. I asked a couple of companies and the material is only available in 0/90º directions.
I thought we can "rotate" the part 45º so the fibers "behind" the holes next to the border aren't completely cut.
Here, with blue lines, the idea:
What do you think about orientating the part so the fibers go at +/-45º?
thanks!
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actually in the case of +/-45º I have the square root of 2 bigger along the long side axis.
and the situation with the holes close to the border should improve, shouldn't it?
cheers,
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thanks for the clarification!
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We got our first parts for testing. We got the holes with diameter 5 and tolerance H7 (0, +12 microns).
We have pins DIN 7, m6 (+4, +12 microns).
So H7/m6 is a "soft press" fitting.
The pins are not entering, not even with grease (by hand)
I don't want to hammer.
What would you recommend? changing the pins to a looser tolerance? forcing the pins?
thanks
regards,
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We have our first loading test mounted.
Here some pictures.
The glass fiber plates (in yellow) are pressed on both sides by aluminiums parts. When I was screwing the parts I was wondering how much I should tighten. Is there any rule of thumb?
I though that we could use some soft material (foam, tissue...) in between the glass fiber plates and the aluminium. Would you recommend that?
thank you in advance
regards,
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Also the thickness of the clamping bar relative to the flex bar seems low, particularly since it is cantelevered. Flexing of the clamping bar means movement and therefore fretting.
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Thanks for your remarks.
These flexing bars are indeed in cantilever position. They are G10 plates with holes (for positioning pins H7/h6 and let the pressing screws go through).
This layout with plates (and not a complicated geometry, mechining the G10) looked good.
How else can one use the G10 for the cantilever load?
The thin bar has this thickness because of space reasons. I'll try to get it thicker; also try to use conical head screws
thanks