Detached Porte Cochere
Detached Porte Cochere
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Does detached combustible porte cochere need to be protected?
Thanks,
Thanks,
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RE: Detached Porte Cochere
How far is detached ?
No connection what so ever like rain blocker ??
What kind of business
RE: Detached Porte Cochere
Porte cochere is at front and it is detached about 2 feet from the building.
Costumer is asking from us to prove to him (code section) that sprinklers are not required there.
Thanks,
RE: Detached Porte Cochere
If the building is protected with a system installed per NFPA® 13R, "Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems in Low-Rise Residential Occupancies" 2013 Edition
From the Annex:
As to 6.6.5.1:
I really doubt it is possible to have a four story building of Construction Type V so 6.6.5.1 wouldn't come in to play.
As to NFPA® 13, "Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems" 2013 Edition
Most of these I've encountered I was able to avoid sprinklers because the exterior surfaces were noncombustible, limited-combustible or fire-retardant materials. It's a whole lot cheaper just to have the insulation company blow $50 worth of insulation into the space.
RE: Detached Porte Cochere
Travis Mack
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RE: Detached Porte Cochere
Looking at the IBC it certainly appears possible but I've never seen a 4 story Type V, that I am aware of anyway, in Georgia.
RE: Detached Porte Cochere
Travis Mack
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RE: Detached Porte Cochere
That's meat and potatoes in my jurisdiction. The sad part is 40% of the contractors can't/won't make the design comply with NFPA 13R on the 1st review. I don't know if it's the lack of experience, laziness, or they find that some jurisdictions couldn't give a rat's ass about the design of the system other than the location of the FDC so they assume we won't perform a thorough review. In about 10% of the submittals, the architect specifies a NFPA 13R system and takes a 300% area increase thinking we won't notice.
RE: Detached Porte Cochere
For me whether 13 or 13R is 100% must be the call of the building professional responsible for the project which, in Georgia anyway, is the registered architect or licensed professional engineer for the project. If it isn't called, and in writing, my personal policy will always be to assume it to be NFPA 13 and that is the end of that story.
I need to go over it again but just last month the NFSA issued a TechNote that went over some of the new requirements for mixed occupancies and I got a feeling it could get real ugly really fast.
But back to the original question if the structure is not attached is it considered a separate building? I would think if it was a separate building, with the size that it is, sprinklers would not be required for any construction type.
RE: Detached Porte Cochere
If the canopy is free standing, it's not considered as a fire area (see the IBC definition) and would not require sprinklers - UNLESS - the canopy is protecting certain classes of hazardous materials. Also, many people do not understand that a free-standing canopy is an occupancy in the IBC (Group U) and it has area limits that, when exceeded, can require sprinkler protection.