Masonry Horse Stable Design Loads
Masonry Horse Stable Design Loads
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I am designing a large masonry horse stable. Each stall will be masonry with some openings for doors and etc. Does anyone know what kind of loads a horse can apply to these walls so i can reinforce them adequately? I am already specifying the lower 5 ft. of each wall to be grouted to prevent the horse from kicking the face of the CMU out. I assume if a crazy big horse wanted to knock some of these walls down, he/she could. But do I design for the worst case or assume some amount of damage could potentially happen and repair it as needed?
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RE: Masonry Horse Stable Design Loads
For the horse facility, we had 12" concrete frost walls that cantilevered to 4' above grade. I suppose 8" would have sufficed, but, we were also accommodating the exterior aesthetics.
I don't have an answer for this other than this google: http://www.lemen.com/qa221.html
In Wisconsin, there is no code enforcement for "AG" (Agricultural) structures. We design these structures with a minor basis of commercial code, a major on experience and "some" degree of what we perceive to be common sense and, of course, a regard for budget.
I would also include vertical rebar at a reasonable spacing and then a CMU bond beam with horizontal bar, with top of bond beam at 4' above grade to tie the solid portion of the wall together. Above that, I'm sure a horse "could" do damage. If the client is willing to pay more, bring the grout and bond beam to the top of (or over) doors.
Have some waiver in your general notes waving your liability from the actions of the horse(s).
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Thanks for the advice.
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Looks like I am supposed to design for 150Ns impact momentum or 8722N (1950 lbs)
I guess masonry will be good at absorbing the impact energy due to its mass.
Don't know yet how to deal with impulse-momentum on the masonry wall. I'll have to put on my thinking cap.
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Star for WSE for competent Googling. It's becoming a valuable skill unto itself. I can't wait to see it show up on a resume.
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
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I guess it depends what we mean by "damage". Is a horse going to kick through a full grouted masonry wall? I doubt it. Might a horse knock the face shell off of a solidly grouted masonry wall with the grout and surrounding block remaining in place? I think that it might. As I mentioned above, my only anecdotal experience comes from hammer blows. In the course of sounding an existing wall a little to aggressively, I've knocked the face shells off of a couple of grouted courses. Perhaps those were isolated QC issues? Or perhaps I'm a latent super hero...
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
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Ha! I wish that I could design buildings with the flick of a wrist. More like the slow birthing of a watermelon.
The video is pretty convincing. I wonder about the potential difference, from a fracture mechanics perspective, of being whacked with a steel hammer/horseshoe and being whacked with a chunk of wood that practically disintegrates upon impact. Perhaps that's already accounted for in the impulse numbers, I'm not sure.
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.