Changes in P.E. rules being discussed
Changes in P.E. rules being discussed
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I recently joined NSPE, and this month our local chapter had a discussion about proposed/discussed changes in licensing. In New Mexico (where I live), NSPE is lobbying very hard for undergraduate programs to REDUCE the number of engineering hours required for graduation while increasing the number of Liberal Arts hours. Their reasoning is that they don't think they can get away with making engineering a 5 year program so they want to further gut the undergraduate program to force the board to require an MS prior to taking the test. ABET has said that if New Mexico schools further reduce the number of engineering hours ABET will pull their accreditation for the undergraduate programs, but has indicated that they would consider moving the accreditation to the graduate program (only one or the other can be certified at a given school).
The course catalog that I started school with (1977) was the first one that my university had issued that allowed a BS without meeting a foreign language requirement. People screamed about how colleges were turning into trade schools. The change currently being discussed turns them into something that I can't come up with a polite name for.
The course catalog that I started school with (1977) was the first one that my university had issued that allowed a BS without meeting a foreign language requirement. People screamed about how colleges were turning into trade schools. The change currently being discussed turns them into something that I can't come up with a polite name for.
David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering
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And dont get me started on how stupid the PE test system is.
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I don't see how any engineer not tied to a university could want this.
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Given all the concern about cost of college & student debt etc. in the US this would seem to be be entirely the wrong way to go.
Getting all the prerequisites and general ed stuff out of the way at high school level when you are generally living at home with mom & pop at a much lower cost etc. just seem so much more sensible.
This has led to my education being equated to trade school by US members of this site - I can live with that as I don't perceive myself as significantly less 'well rounded' than the US educated folk evither on here or at my employer.
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Well, yes and no. They're taking a page from the AMA's book, and trying to create artificial scarcity to drive salaries up through manipulation of the job marketplace.
They're also probably trying to create more jobs for the academic types who are on the NSPE board.
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We can't complain about the perception of engineers compared to doctors, lawyers, and architects and then turn around and encourage not to participate in your industry organizations. The Bar association, AMA, and AIA all have strong voices about any issue related to their field. There is no reason why engineers can't have NSPE act similar. True, engineering is more diverse and it's more difficult to maintain a unified voice, but you better believe if it wasn't for NSPE and ASCE, then AIA would have already lobbied governments to require an architect to design a retaining or head wall for a sewer in the middle of the woods.
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From the NSPE perspective, only 1 of the 10+ interviewed had bothered to take the Fundamentals test their Senior year, and the rest weren't planning to take it, and were surprised it could be required. Their professors had not encouraged them to take it.
The one who took the FE was very proud that he got a 25% overall score. Less than 10% in the Math section.
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David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei, Italian Physicist
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I am anticipating lower requirements in order to be licensed 😋.
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David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei, Italian Physicist
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And I say career because anybody can find a job/gig.
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I've edited my post to reflect that it is Ft. Lewis College in Durango. My first edit was done in a rush.
The current dean acted like he'd only been there a few years (in the 1980's he was likely in grade school, we are getting old). His philosophy is much like what you say--he doesn't have an obligation to find internships, but he does feel an obligation to help the students develop priorities that aid in success.
David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei, Italian Physicist
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