Asphalt overlays adjacent to curb and gutter
Asphalt overlays adjacent to curb and gutter
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I recently administered an asphalt overlay contract in a residential community with a combination of roads with and without curb and gutter. On those roads with curb and gutter a standing joint was specified after being discussed with the HOA as one of the options available. Other options included milling adjacent to c&g, milling entire width, etc. The road was generally in fair condition requiring no patching. As a result the standing joint was selected to minimize cost and impacts from construction.
Following the overlay there are concerns being voiced by homeowners regarding the driveway connections and the 'bump' now present. The HOA wants the driveways milled flush, but I do not recommend this for various reasons.
Has anyone else encountered this? Is standing joint considered a normal/acceptable treatment in your area?
Thanks
Following the overlay there are concerns being voiced by homeowners regarding the driveway connections and the 'bump' now present. The HOA wants the driveways milled flush, but I do not recommend this for various reasons.
Has anyone else encountered this? Is standing joint considered a normal/acceptable treatment in your area?
Thanks





RE: Asphalt overlays adjacent to curb and gutter
RE: Asphalt overlays adjacent to curb and gutter
RE: Asphalt overlays adjacent to curb and gutter
RE: Asphalt overlays adjacent to curb and gutter
RE: Asphalt overlays adjacent to curb and gutter
RE: Asphalt overlays adjacent to curb and gutter
RE: Asphalt overlays adjacent to curb and gutter
Something to think about.
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RE: Asphalt overlays adjacent to curb and gutter
RE: Asphalt overlays adjacent to curb and gutter
Not to beat dead horse, but always at least do the edge mill.
RE: Asphalt overlays adjacent to curb and gutter
Anytime an overlay is specified adjacent to curb and gutter or even guardrail, edge milling or full width should be specified. Any prudent paving contractor would have pointed this out at a pre-bid or after the award.
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We're trying to lessen the guy's problems here, the road is already jacked up.
RE: Asphalt overlays adjacent to curb and gutter
Agree with others on the ship sailing on the curbing. An after the fact item that might help to make the situation a little less (or more) tense with the HOA, is to review the resulting pavement cross-slope had you milled and current ADA requirements. I've used the edge milling trick, usually one pass with 7' drum mill, but it does increase the cross-slope. Given some of the over break restrictions at cross-walks and ADA ramps (does the HOA even have ramps, are the ramps to code?), would this have even made things worse? That being said, an inch and half lip in the curb pan at an ADA ramp is just as much of a violation.
Now that the ADA cat is out of the bag, you should probably review the current code's position on overlays (ADA &/or PROWAG). Overlays (unless they're limited emergency repairs) require that the ADA issues be brought up to current requirements. Public works projects will not get funding in my area until those are addressed and if neglected are potentially prosecutable by the DOJ.
I assume you're a consultant at a professional firm? You better carefully review all of the upfront dialogue you had with the HOA and have documented that they made the decision. Even then, you may have allowed them violate ADA. As the professional in the room, you are supposed to know best.
RE: Asphalt overlays adjacent to curb and gutter
I am fully aware of how to mill and produce a smooth transition in the original overlay. This was an option chosen by the HOA, for funding reasons, and is documented. All intersections are flush with milled headers at the beginnings. Agree with other comments on here that the time for a transition at driveways has passed.
The HOA has since agreed all future overlays should include milling so this is a one time issue.
The overlay was placed over a year ago and heating is/was not a recommended option nor was milling the outside edge as milling would only expose the mix and lead to premature failure.
Paving into the gutter was not recommended as often this area does not adhere well and develops a crack along the underlying joint.
This is a private HOA with no sidewalk or ramps and the grade (vertical alignment) of the roadway itself exceeds the 8.33% ADA requirements. Thankfully, ADA is not an issue in this location.
At this point I am simply trying to assist the HOA with as someone stated above "buyers remorse" One option I am looking at is Bridjit curb ramps. Anyone have any experience with these?