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The comments on that article are almost as crazy.
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My last post was similar, a garage-engineer trying to out engineer an engineer. Unfortunately it was removed.
This it out there, we need to be aware.
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- Stolen engineering software allows criminals to produce building plans
- "Legitimate Professional Engineers" (not to be confused with illegitimate) take grueling tests and have 5 years experience (the only thing grueling about them was that they were 8 hours each and I had to sit next to a guy who had failed it 5 times before)
- "the value of architectural licensure is "immeasurable."" (Actually, the value of the license is negligible. The real value lies with the Architect and his ability - good thing I'm not a spokesman for the AIA).
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I certainly think these guys who committed this fraud should be hung out for a good long time, not just given a cease and desist order. I’m all for Professional Registration and the protection of the public on who’s behalf we toil for their health, safety and welfare. But, that something like this could go on so long, I think says something about the whole registration and AHJ system, and what it says isn’t so good. According to police, “Neither had the training, expertise or credentials to vouch for the safety of the building plans, and authorities are only now grasping the scope of the problem.” But, they had the ‘the training, expertise or credentials’ to fool all the public officials who we pay to oversee Professional Registration and our building industries.
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"According to police, “Neither had the training, expertise or credentials to vouch for the safety of the building plans, and authorities are only now grasping the scope of the problem.”
Sure, the police have the training, expertise or credentials to make that assessment? I think not; it's more likely they got that from someone else with an axe to grind. The usage of "phony" and "bogus" leads me to suspect that this is a demonization process, to paint the two people in the worst possible light in the court of public opinion. Particularly in view of the fact that there are lots of engineers that might be sufficiently qualified to do that work, but don't have licenses. So, how to make the case that the PE license is critical to the actual process? By demonizing the people that don't have licenses.
I'm not saying they were or weren't qualified; it's just that there's nothing but pejoratives used when describing the two scofflaws. It would be much more credible if there was something that said, "Mr. A only graduated from high school, and Mr. B only has a degree in English Lit. If that were the case, then sure, hang the two demons and boil them in oil. Additionally, it seems to me there might be a self-serving element as well, given that there are now "hundreds" of analyses that need to be vetted by experts, who are going to have to be paid to do that.
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If they had access to all their previous company's standard drawings and notes and such then all they had to do was find similar drawing from previous jobs. And, then do some basic / simple CAD work and the drawing would all look legit.
What I'm shocked about is that around here (Southern), you are normally expected to submit engineering calculations with your designs. So, how did they get around that? Or, maybe no one at the cities they work in is actually reviewing calculations?
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Let's be clear here. They were not qualified for the simple reason that they were not licensed. Without a doubt, the license is not the end all be all, but it is the legal starting place which should be expected from anyone that wants to practice engineering in the construction field. If these gentlemen wanted to be engineers, I believe they could have been. Instead, they chose to live outside the confines of the law. That choice defines them better than any piece of paper or test could.
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They are going to be in trouble for the fraud of using the license to stamp the drawings had they not done that they could have still submitted drawings and calculations following the conventional framing requirements. The article has so many glaring issues it's not even funny. If find it a little funny that everyone is so upset yet, Professor Prevedouros is not a registered PE in California or Hawaii or any US state, and his expertise is transportation. He is as unqualified to talk about these guys as they were. Going to start calling for him to step down?
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I was referring to the technical issue and not the legal issue, which are separate. Two people, with the same training, experience, and education, but one with a license are both qualified to do the calculations, but the one without the license would need to be working under a licensed engineer. The quality of the work would essentially be identical, it's just how the law perceives the work.
"No, let's be clear, they WERE qualified. CA professional engineering act exempts the types of projects they are said to have worked on, CA Business and Professions Code 6737.1."
They would only be in the clear if they hadn't pretended to be PEs; that makes the exemption moot, particularly since they had to have violated the PE Act itself. BTW, I don't see where 6737.1 would apply to commercial buildings like strip malls. http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_disp...
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Just a few problems I guess, but I think they should all shake out eventually, since this was in California.
So... looks our stamps and other paperwork can be obtained on the black market between the opium vendors now.
Great, just great.
Mike McCann, PE, SE (WA)
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