New job offer - vacation time
New job offer - vacation time
(OP)
I received a job offer this past week from a CE firm with approx. 50 employees. I have been a PE for nearly 2 years and have about 8 years experience. The vacation time offered is no vacation for a year, 5 days after one year, 10 days after two years, and 15 after seven years. I currently get 11 hour per month at the job I'm at do have about 100 hours saved up after 3 years of employment. I think its normal to wait 90 days - 6 months before being able to take vacation, but I've never heard of having to wait a year then receiving only a week the first year. Anyone have any thoughts? I am expecting my first child this May so I will obviously need time off for that.





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You can also let the hiring and functional manager you think the policy is bunk and get a read off them as to how seriously and strictly they take the policy. Some places don't care if you take a day here or there. 3 weeks at once might be a fiffer3nt story
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Now most enlightened companies just combine sick time, vacation and other leave into a pot (called Personal Time Off [PTO]) and you can do with it as you wish. No arguments whether someone is sick or not, notes from doctors, and other distractions. Just like vacation, you earn more over time, but there's a base amount you get right away.
Now if this company doesn't allow any vacation for the first year, that's unusual. In my experience, it's normal to allow some after six months. But I don't think there's any labor law on that.
However, if this is a deal breaker, don't take the job. Sometimes companies figure things like this out when they can't hire anyone good.
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I would not expect the company to change their position very much, but you've got nothing to lose by asking for some consideration.
gjc
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With all due respect, if you are in the USA, you are asking the wrong questions. Take IRstuff's advice. If you have other reasons to pursue this job, play "hard ball". Make your questions count, ask if the company is subject to the Family and Medical Leave Act. The responses you get to questions like that will allow you to see if this company is "worth" working for... I doubt it.
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FMLA only grants unpaid leave.
No vacation for the first year is not very unusual policy for low level employees. But it is usually easily negotiable after about 5 years of experience. It would be very difficult for a company to hire experience people if they did not negotiate on this.
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In case you are thinking everyone is off ill all the time - they aren't. Women get paid maternity leave for up to a year and must have two/four weeks off after giving birth - the details are complicated. There is also 14 days paternity leave.
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But no paid vacation in the first year does seem a little grim.
Steve
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fellow red raider?
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In reality Derby is a very high tech city, mostly due to Rolls Royce, but there are others in different fields which make the average only just below Cambridge depending on which set of statistics are deployed.
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As an engineer I am sure you have compared all compensation from your current job to this new job, but is you haven't make sure to take the following into consideration: Paid time off, insurance coverage/deductibles, 401k matching, salary, location (and potential cost of living adjustment) etc.
I graduated in 2012 with a Civil degree, and will be taking my PE this October. Wish you best of luck on your career decision.
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You just started the negotiation, and not in the best way. Tell them want you want rather than ask what they will give. There are a limited number of "turns" in any negotiation, and you just wasted one of your turns.
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One other thing to consider when switching is the short-term disability insurance. OP does not indicate gender, but for a woman switching jobs, STD benefits might have a waiting period or might not be available with the new employer. My wife was paying into STD for 2+ years when her entire department was downsized at 6 months pregnant. The money we "paid" into STD was essentially lost, as she couldn't get another position offering STD in the remaining 2.5-3 months of her pregnancy. After that experience, I realized we'd have been much better off just saving the STD premiums in a savings account, and drawing on them as needed.
To weigh in on the vacation policy, even here in Michigan, when I graduated 2007, the worst offer I got had 2.5 days at 6 months, 5 days at a year, and allowed unpaid vacation. The first job I accepted started with 3 weeks vacation + 5 sick days + 2 personal days, and grew to total 27 days PTO by time I left (6 years later). My current job started at 15 days. I guess that's the automotive industry, though.
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Absent me being desperate or other extenuating circumstances (butt loads of money being offered, career defining projects, etc.), I'd turn it down. You can try and negotiate vacation (and make sure you get it in writing from someone with the authority to make that decision), but companies tend to like to maintain the same policy for every one. If that's their policy, I'd have a few concerns. First, they'll likely be constantly trying to change your agreement because that's their policy and you'll have to fight every time for what they already agreed to just because that's not what they normally do. Second, if they honor it then you're getting more vacation time then your coworkers are getting and that can breed discontent. Unlike pay, large disparities in leave time is fairly obvious to anyone paying attention. Thirdly, a company that doesn't want their employees taking any time off isn't a good company to me. Everyone needs time off. Would seem like burnout rates would be pretty high without it. Productivity drops, job satisfaction drops, turnover rates rise. Most companies recognize this, I'd be concerned that this one doesn't and may not survive because of it.
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It is pretty typical of smaller businesses.../quote]
Not just small companies have some draconian vacation/holiday pay policies.
In the 80's, when I was working for McDonnell Douglas, while everyone got paid vacation and sick days, they did not treat all their employees equally. For example, I was a so-called 'professional' and was salaried whereas my secretary/admin was not. We both got our paychecks every Friday, but I never missed a dollar when I was off on vacation or for a holiday. However, my secretary only got paid for the actual hours that she worked, so if she took a sick day, went on vacation or was off for a company holiday, like Christmas, Labor Day or NATO Day, she didn't get paid. However, at the end of the year, with her last paycheck, there would be a 'benefits' check which would cover all of those days for which she had not been paid during the year, including any vacation days that she hadn't yet taken. Granted, she didn't lose out on any money, but it did make it inconvenient for her at times.
John R. Baker, P.E.
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After all the restrictions, I took a job with a 50% raise in pay from a concrete products producer. Full benefits paid including 100% use of a company car (fuel included) and the requirement to take classes for my PE and get registered in 3 states, but I had 6 years of qualifying experience so that was a benefit and not a burden. My vacation was undetermined and very flexible, but there was a requirement to not take it in at one time in the winter and I was required to go an annual industry summer meeting wherever it was (Broadmore, Biltmore, Greenbrier or resort type places. I could take 2 weeks and drive to these with my wife and two kids at company expense if I visited one block plant per day (suggested by our auditors). I also had to attend and participate various association national committee meetings (ASCE, ACI, ASTM, TMS, etc.), so I did travel, not a real vacation, but beneficial and good experiences.
If you find a good position with some flexibility, vacations are not a concern.
Dick
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If someone offered me none, or two weeks, I'd say 'Thanks, but no thanks'.