Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
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Hello,
I hope that I am not over staying my welcome on this site, but I love the knowledge that I gain from all of you. I am an EIT with almost a year under my belt, but I know that it will take decades for me to learn the ins and outs associated with the structural engineering profession. I recently had, (how should I say it?), a heated debate with our Cad technician over proper nomenclature for steel plates, angles, and welds. I am going to make a standard sheet so everyone here in the office uses the same call-out nomenclature. What are the proper ways to call-out steel plates, steel angles, and welds on drawings?
Please see the attachment for how I do it and then tell me what you agree/disagree with. Feel free to educate me down to the spaces, lower case "x", and where "inches" are called out and omitted.
Thanks!
I hope that I am not over staying my welcome on this site, but I love the knowledge that I gain from all of you. I am an EIT with almost a year under my belt, but I know that it will take decades for me to learn the ins and outs associated with the structural engineering profession. I recently had, (how should I say it?), a heated debate with our Cad technician over proper nomenclature for steel plates, angles, and welds. I am going to make a standard sheet so everyone here in the office uses the same call-out nomenclature. What are the proper ways to call-out steel plates, steel angles, and welds on drawings?
Please see the attachment for how I do it and then tell me what you agree/disagree with. Feel free to educate me down to the spaces, lower case "x", and where "inches" are called out and omitted.
Thanks!






RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
I like to debate structural engineering theory -- a lot. If I challenge you on something, know that I'm doing so because I respect your opinion enough to either change it or adopt it.
RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
Never discount what an experienced CAD tech is telling you. Once you've worked with green ones, you're realize how valuable the tough old goats are.
RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
No special symbols for PL and L
PL 3/8"x4"x0'-7"
L 3-1/2x3-1/2x1/4x0'-6"
No inch " marks on welds, and no .at the end of abbreviations.
We're trying to communicate to a steel fabricator, so we try to match their standards somewhat. We like to make noting things as simple as possible.
RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
https://www.aisc.org/WorkArea/showcontent.aspx?id=...
I've always thought it was funny to use the property line symbol for plates, but it does look really slick.
RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
Stated by an American who has seen the light
RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
Dave
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RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
Don't use symbols not available from the keyboard unless you are going to make it easy for the drafters.
RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
What is on AutoCAD as fancy graphic symbols has to be typed by others (NOT AutoCAD drafters!) in every purchase order or label or invoice or letter or email explaining problems or inventory list. Be able to export and import letters and values and lists and descriptions numbers from other systems and from manual sketches and scanned or emailed or photographed or photo-copied.
For example, Excel and MSWord will recognize and import and export both L and PL. NOT any AutoCAD-generated fancy symbol.
Thus, as above L and PL are better and more accurate in the long run.
Decimals and fractions? Be able to use whichever is going to be most usable in the specific place it is written or calculated.
RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
So, don't keep us in suspenders, just what does your CAD guy disagree with?
RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
P.S. Yes our CAD tech has some great experience but is not easy to work with.
Thanks!
RE: Call-Out Standards (steel plates, angles, and welds)
Oh, and for what it worth, I like small "X's" because I think it makes it more readable (easier to see the separation between the dimensions). I also don't like spelling out "angle" at the end of the angle description because you have already indicated that it is an angle by the symbol at the beginning of the description. It is my firm belief that repetition in drawings just increases the likelihood of an error when a drawing gets revised. This is because people tend to change a description or whatever, assume that is the only place, move on, and miss repeated instances of it.