Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
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Hello everyone,
I am trying to evaluate the spring constant of a coaxial polymer cylindrical fiber. This fiber has a stiff core and a more soft sheath.
I know the geometry of the system and I know the Young's moduli of both components. I can find separate models for the core or for the sheath where using the area moment of inertia I can extract the spring constant. My problem is that I don't know how to extract the spring constant of the whole object.
I need this to have a theoretical value to compare it with the results of three point bending experiments in which I directly measure the spring constant and extract the bending modulus of the whole structure.
Any help would be great!
I am trying to evaluate the spring constant of a coaxial polymer cylindrical fiber. This fiber has a stiff core and a more soft sheath.
I know the geometry of the system and I know the Young's moduli of both components. I can find separate models for the core or for the sheath where using the area moment of inertia I can extract the spring constant. My problem is that I don't know how to extract the spring constant of the whole object.
I need this to have a theoretical value to compare it with the results of three point bending experiments in which I directly measure the spring constant and extract the bending modulus of the whole structure.
Any help would be great!





RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
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RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
I had thought of that but my problem is slightly different since I'm using a rod (circular cross section) and not a beam. Also, the whole rod is surrounded by a material which has a different elastic modulus.
I was thinking of calculating the spring constant of the outer material as if it was a hollow rod. From there I can calculate what would be the equivalent diameter of a hollow rod made of my inner material but having the same spring constant as the actual outer sheath.
In this way I would end up having a single material rod with an equivalent diameter.
Would this reasoning be valid?
RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
“Do not worry about your problems with mathematics, I assure you mine are far greater.” Albert Einstein
RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
thanks for your reply, however I don't understand what you mean.
The deflection in my experiments is equal since the two core and the sheath are chemically bonded together. What do you mean by "solve each simultaneously"? And how should I divide the load into parts to be applied to each piece?
RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
why does a rod invalidate the beam test, proposed in the first reply ?
do you want a bending stiffness or an axial stiffness ?
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RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
could anyone confirm if this approach would be correct:
I express the bending rigidity of the composite beam as the sum of the bending rigidity of the separate components:
EcompositeIcomposite=EcoreIcore+EsheathIsheath
From this I can estimate the equivalent Young's modulus that the rod would have if it was a fully uniform material.
RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
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RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
Max deflection of a simply supported beam, point load at center: y=Wl3/48EI
For the core: ycore = Wcorel3/48EcoreIcore
For the sheath: ysheath = Wsheathl3/48EsheathIsheath
Because, as stated by musacci, "The deflection in my experiments is equal since the two core and the sheath are chemically bonded together" ycore=ysheath=y
Therefore: Wcorel3/48EcoreIcore = Wsheathl3/48EsheathIsheath
Also: Wtotal = Wcore + Wsheath
Solve.
Finally: Ecomposite= Wtotall3/48yIcomposite
Since you can do this with any arbitrary length, choose l=1 and all the l3 terms go away.
RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
I guess i'd've worked from assuming that bending strain at the interface of the two materials is the same.
I'd expect that the stiffer material (higher EI) would dominate the behaviour, and that the softer material probably doesn't change the result significantly (ie the composite beam behaves like the stiffer component); assuming that there is a significant difference in EI. this is, I think, counter to the above result. If the two materials are similar in stiffness, then maybe they'd behave like the above result (ie sharing the load).
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RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
Yes. The load is shared in proportion to the stiffness.
Seems perfectly consistent with what you are saying. If EI of one component goes to zero its share of the load goes to zero.
Consider the analogous case of two coil springs of same free height but different k in parallel and co-axial.
F=kD
Finner + Fouter = F
Finner = kinnerDinner
Fouter = kouterDouter
Dinner = Douter
RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
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RE: Help with the three point bending test of a composite rod
if the two rods were independently reacting the load then the sharing is obvious. The softer rod will take some load to deflect the same as the stiffer one.
But the two rods are not independent, but constrained so that their bending
straindeflection is the same at the interface. I'm thinking that the axial deflection in the softer rod would be larger than that of the stiffer rod, given the same bending deflection if the two were free. being glued together I see that the stiffer rod may restrain the softer one, so that the moment in the softer one may possibly be negative.this could be an interesting FEA.
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