Hard spiral bevel gear set
Hard spiral bevel gear set
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I have come accross a spiral bevel gear set, 5DP, used in a milling head drive. The gears run with very little backlash. The material analysis showed that those gears were made of 17CrNiMo6, a 1 mm thick carbourized layer has been also found. The surface hardness of the teeth was measured 68 HRc, while a typical would be around 60 HRc. The measurement has been confirmed by checking in different places. Does anybody know how did they achieve 68 HRc on 17CrNiMo6?





RE: Hard spiral bevel gear set
Can you describe the measuring device and procedure used to take the hardness readings?
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Like gearcutter, I would also be interested to know details of how the hardness measurements were obtained. With carburized gear teeth it is common practice to verify hardness measurements on a representative tooth section a couple thousandths of an inch (maybe .008"-.010" in your example) below the surface, usually at mid-height on the flank. Since you know what the depth of the carburized case is, can we assume you have sectioned one of these gears?
Regarding your comment about the gears running with "very little backlash", AGMA recommendations for normal backlash in a 5DP spiral bevel gear mesh of above average precision would be something like .012"-.016". How does the amount of normal backlash in your installed spiral bevel gear set compare to this number?
RE: Hard spiral bevel gear set
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The chemical composition:
The surface layer structure:
The surface layer:
Based on these results they have indentified the material as 17CrNiMo6 after carbourizing. A 1 mm thickness of the layer with minimal hardness of 550HV has been reported. They stated, that the maximum hardness of 940 uHV equals to approx. 68 HRc.
Any clues on how is that possible?
RE: Hard spiral bevel gear set
the backlash was reportedly eliminated down to .02 mm using schims.
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Typically; Cr should be between 1.5 & 1.8, Moly 0.25-0.35, Ni 1.4-1.7 & Mn 0.40-0.60.
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good point, it should rather be 17NiCrMo6 (1.6566), but it doesn't solve the mystery.
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Looking at a chemical composition chart for 17NiCrMo6 suggests that the composition of your sample still doesn't match what you're saying it should be.
Looking at the tempering curves for 17NiCrMo6 below; it appears that the max un-tempered hardness is around 64HRC. I've no idea how 68HRC (equivalent) could be achieved.
That level of case hardness is usually associated with nitriding material such as 34CrAlMo5-10.
Has the Lab been able to give you an explanation?
I would suggest going over to the 'Metal and Metallurgy engineering Forum' and asking the question there, be careful not to make it look like you're cross-posting as your post might be deleted. - http://www.eng-tips.com/threadminder.cfm?pid=330
I'm finding this really interesting, thanks for posting.
RE: Hard spiral bevel gear set
You might want to take a look at AGMA 2004-B89. It provides guidance on preparation of test specimens for checking the hardness profile of carburized gear teeth. You should pay particular attention to the length and diameter (L/D ratio) of the specimen required for the size of gear tooth you have, as well as making sure when cutting and polishing the specimen so that it is not overheated. Both of these factors can affect the accuracy of your hardness testing.
RE: Hard spiral bevel gear set