Automotive cooling system
Automotive cooling system
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Hi All,
New to this forum and I am not sure if this has already explained in other Thread .... if so then please let me know and i will refer that.
My question is:
I am working on engine cooling system and deciding size of fan.
Air flow quantity was already given (CFM cubic feet per minute)to me as given data.
I want to verify that how much air should flow to maintain system tempreture. Can someone please let me know basic formula to verify it?
I know it can be calculated by CFD analysis but I dont have software available and also dont know how to model it in CFD.
Can someone please give me some basic idea? I want to quick verify by hand calculation.
Thanks in advance.
New to this forum and I am not sure if this has already explained in other Thread .... if so then please let me know and i will refer that.
My question is:
I am working on engine cooling system and deciding size of fan.
Air flow quantity was already given (CFM cubic feet per minute)to me as given data.
I want to verify that how much air should flow to maintain system tempreture. Can someone please let me know basic formula to verify it?
I know it can be calculated by CFD analysis but I dont have software available and also dont know how to model it in CFD.
Can someone please give me some basic idea? I want to quick verify by hand calculation.
Thanks in advance.





RE: Automotive cooling system
Bad luck, it's pretty complicated. Have a look at
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=U96_KxIOz-EC&...
If you have the performance curves for your radiator design then it is pretty easy, otherwise you need some way of estimating the heat transfer coefficient betwixt fluid and air.
Cheers
Greg Locock
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RE: Automotive cooling system
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Yes thats true and I realize it now that there are lot of factor involve to decide cooling system components.
Can you please guide how to start at initial stage.
What is formula to calculate required airflow? also how to decide built in resistance for vehicle.
I discuss in my team they said it was done on CFD .... but I want to know basic formula for hand calculation?
Please share some documents for calculation if you can.
Thanks
RE: Automotive cooling system
Roughly speaking you need to establish your required cooling power, your top and bottom hose temps. These give an average water temp.
Then working upstream, you need to know the thermal resistance of your radiator, which is a function of materials and geometry.
then you need to look at your air side cooling power, which equals the cooling power you've already calculated, and then see if there is sufficient dT to drive that heat flux through your radiator.
I am not going to answer any further questions until you acknowledge that you have read and worked through the nomograms I linked to. Incidentally, taking a punt, FSAE has its own forums elsewhere, use them.
Cheers
Greg Locock
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RE: Automotive cooling system
What is the displacement? What fuel and what ignition system? ------> Compression ignition or spark?
What HP is it? What application? Racing, normal driving, large truck, off road etc.
RE: Automotive cooling system
Thanks for reply. Its 6 cylinder 6.8 liter 200 HP CI diesel engine for construction machine.
Its EGR, Turbo charged liquid cooled engine.
Please let me know if you need more input or detail.
THanks.
RE: Automotive cooling system
Please let me know how to start?
THanks
RE: Automotive cooling system
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RE: Automotive cooling system
Maybe you can even get on a CD inexpensively.
It should contain plenty of information about sizing radiators.
In fact, the Application Handbook for any engine that's ever used with a radiator will contain information that's valuable to you. Collect a bunch, and study them all.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
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Cheers
Greg Locock
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RE: Automotive cooling system
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If you want to calculate it, Greg is leading you on the right track.
Its a simple concept, but it requires data that is tedious to acquire. The easiest way to get that data would be to ask the guy who gave you the CFM requirements, in which case you would effectively be checking his homework for math errors.
I would suggest the use a powerful electric fan and a thermal switch in the return coolant flow.
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RE: Automotive cooling system