New Subscription Policy
New Subscription Policy
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JMirisola (Mechanical)
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For those who haven't heard, SolidWorks has changed their subscription policy, effective 1 January 2016.
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Jeff Mirisola, CSWE
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Also since they are making update changes like these, then they need to send out bug fixes quicker... like my Properties.txt file issue would be great!
Scott Baugh, CSWP
Gryphon Environmental
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Jeff Mowry
www.industrialdesignhaus.com
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As I just posted on the SW forum:
The VARs that posted this policy (hey--at least you still have one quoted on your blog) no longer have those pages active. Maybe a little birdie suggested they take those pages down?
Getting this policy from my own VAR--solely verbally--is upsetting. This doesn't allow me to see the real terms of the non-negotiable "contract". It's also a poor way of allowing business owners to run their businesses and make the best decisions moving forward.
It's truly baffling to me that SolidWorks would roll out official policy in such a shady way. Why do that? If the policy itself won't be well accepted by users, throwing the policy into a dark closet certainly won't help.
Jeff Mowry
www.industrialdesignhaus.com
A people governed by fear cannot value freedom.
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Jeff Mirisola, CSWE
My Blog
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Jeff Mowry
www.industrialdesignhaus.com
A people governed by fear cannot value freedom.
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I am assuming the thread on the SolidWorks forum has disappeared as well?
A very hostile customer policy, to say the least. And throws their VAR's under the bus to have to defend the policy.
Hopefully, someone at Dassault comes to their senses and reverse that new policy.
Anna Wood
SW2014 SP2, Windows 7 x64
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https://forum.solidworks.com/thread/99007
Jeff Mowry
www.industrialdesignhaus.com
A people governed by fear cannot value freedom.
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Got this from SolidSmack:
From the Q2 Earnings call.
Jay Vleeschhouwer
Okay. Next, for Thibault, it's our understanding that, starting next January of 2016, you are going to be changing the pricing for customers who have gone off of maintenance or subscription and wish to resume or reinstate the subscription and, in effect, making them – making it less desirable for them to go off maintenance and making it more expensive for them to come back onto maintenance after some period of time. Could you verify that that is in fact something that you mean to do? And given your normal churn rate of customers go on and off maintenance, what do you think the incremental revenue opportunity might be from putting in that kind of new subscription reinstatement for pricing?
Thibault de Tersant [Dassault Systemes, Senior EVP, Chief Financial Officer]
Thank you, Jay. Well, in fact the policy we have for reinstatement across all our process and rules portfolio has been the same for the past well, I prefer not to say but probably 20 years, which is essentially that when you stop paying for maintenance and you want to go back and pay again, and be under maintenance again you need to catch up for the period of time in which you have not renewed maintenance and the reason for that is because we have continued to do R&D and the improvement in functionalities and they are brought when you get back under maintenance, so we need to be fair with all our customers.
And there wasn’t one exception actually to this rule. And the one exception was that we had a fixed amount for SOLIDWORKS users when they were returning under maintenance. And frankly, we don’t believe I mean this rule was the one which was at the beginning of SOLIDWORKS. And we really don’t see a reason why, we would do things differently for SOLIDWORKS than for all of our brands, because we have the exact same rationale. And of course, the more we go, the more the SOLIDWORKS product portfolio will be based upon this 3DEXPERIENCE platform and we’ll share applications, so very important to be a consistent across of users. So that is the rationale.
Now, to be honest with you, I have not measured in terms of dollar revenue, incremental dollar revenue what is going to be brought by this changing of rules. I expect maybe a small improvement in renewal rates. That would be my expectation. But it is not planned exactly yet.
Jeff Mirisola, CSWE
My Blog
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I will NEVER be renewing the maintenance on our personal seat of SolidWorks. This seals the deal for me to switch to Onshape.
Dassault is not interested in the little guy, never has been. SolidWorks focus in now on the big accounts.
Their competitors must be doing the happy dance now that Dassault has shot themselves in the foot again.
Anna Wood
SW2014 SP2, Windows 7 x64
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as a competitive product to Solidworks?
I have only caught wind of it recently, and it seemed like a good way to break into 3D modeling, but I haven't
really considered using it.
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Jeff Mirisola, CSWE
My Blog
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Nice find, Jeff--I didn't know Josh was covering this at SolidSmack--guess I should pay more attention.
Jeff Mowry
www.industrialdesignhaus.com
A people governed by fear cannot value freedom.
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SolidSmack has a new section, talk.solidsmack.com. It's an area where they post stuff for people to discuss.
Jeff Mirisola, CSWE
My Blog
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Anna Wood
SW2014 SP2, Windows 7 x64
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Jeff--thanks for the heads-up. I just posted at the SolidSmack forum area.
Jeff Mowry
www.industrialdesignhaus.com
A people governed by fear cannot value freedom.
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Jeff Mirisola, CSWE
My Blog
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Jeff Mowry
www.industrialdesignhaus.com
A people governed by fear cannot value freedom.
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Though I cannot access the SW forum right now (server throws errors when I attempt to log in or view the related subscription thread), I am subscribed to the thread. So I received notification of an update by email that Rachel York replied with this:
Though it's NOT the norm of SolidWorks to charge for unnecessary/unused subscription services, after 20 years of business---it now WILL be. Is that the norm with Onshape? Other competition?
Jeff Mowry
www.industrialdesignhaus.com
A people governed by fear cannot value freedom.
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I was very much against the cloud based system at first, and I am sure there will be some companies that will never allow it, but they have some very distinct advantages over locally-installed software. Collaboration is amazing in that multiple people can be editing the same file at the same time from wherever they are in the world. All you really need is decent internet access, no significant computing or graphics power required. No locally installed software means no service packs or upgrades to install (this takes a surprising amount of time to get the whole company on the same version).
I am watching and waiting for it to get close enough to the current capabilities of SolidWorks. I am confident they will get there and then surpass it with other nice things SolidWorks cannot do.
The $100/month is less than maintenance for SolidWorks. And as this thread above makes clear, SolidWorks, though it got its growth by listening to the users, has been taken over by businessmen that can't even spell CAD. I have used SolidWorks since the first version came out in 1995. I love the software and what it allows me to do, but I think this time next year I'll be shutting it off for something better. This bonehead move with their maintenance policy will just be the breaking point for a lot of people.
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Jeff Mirisola, CSWE
My Blog
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The new Solidworks policy is certainly motivating me to look to see what else is out there. That is a good thing.
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I don't think they are far from having a product that can do what many companies need it to do, particularly small-medium shops. The major missing tools like drawings, sheetmetal and surfacing all seem to be in the works. What's more, it comes with built in version control, branching, and baked-in file management. As a free account user I've put in performance enhancement requests and submitted bugs, and the dev team at Onshape has already rolled out these changes. The more Solidworks brings about policies like this, the more people willing people will be to give Onshape (and similar tools) a strong look and even contribute to its development.
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I want to differentiate support from license renewal. We don't need to make annual payments to renew our license, at least as far as I remember reading it. What you are paying for is support and annual updates. Yet one of the blurbs I've read which was purported to have come from SW referred to it as a license renewal. I think if they have drifted to that mentality they might find themselves in a bit of a class action law suit.
Somewhat in parallel with this and showing how SW doesn't recognize you as being legitimate for buying a license but only recognizes customers who continue to give money... I downloaded eDrawings 2016 (2015?) a few months back. It has something in it that went in and killed my PhotoView 360. I've been unable to render with it since that free download. And since I believe I have a perpetual license to run SW 2010 I contacted the local VAR to see how I could get the functionality that I paid for back. I was told more or less that I got what I deserved for not giving them money all these years and given no help. And that downloading of eDrawings (supposedly free) unleashed a torrent of solicitations to buy SW again.
Mark