INTELLIGENT WORK FORUMS
FOR ENGINEERING PROFESSIONALS

Log In

Come Join Us!

Are you an
Engineering professional?
Join Eng-Tips Forums!
  • Talk With Other Members
  • Be Notified Of Responses
    To Your Posts
  • Keyword Search
  • One-Click Access To Your
    Favorite Forums
  • Automated Signatures
    On Your Posts
  • Best Of All, It's Free!

*Eng-Tips's functionality depends on members receiving e-mail. By joining you are opting in to receive e-mail.

Posting Guidelines

Promoting, selling, recruiting, coursework and thesis posting is forbidden.

Jobs

FEED for refineries

FEED for refineries

(OP)
My company is bringing in an engineering firm to do the FEED for a refinery. Was wondering if anyone had examples of contracts and docs between owner and engineering firm about doing the FEED (requirements for maturity of the design, studies etc).

Cheers.

RE: FEED for refineries

What kind of FEED? Greenfield project to erect refinery where there is grass at the moment? Or a FEED project in the existing refinery? For what exactly?

Dejan IVANOVIC
Process Engineer, MSChE

RE: FEED for refineries

(OP)
Its a new refinery on a greenfield site so not an upgrade. The FEED would be for plot plan and basic engineering design. EPC contractor at the next phase would verify basic design in the FEED and do detailed engineering on the process units.

RE: FEED for refineries

Thanks. I doubt anyone can share these kind of documents on the forums.

The subject is rather complex and I think it would take many days and many pages to touch only a portion of things which are necessary to be addressed. There are so many things which come into play: feed stock, configuration, throughput's, impurity levels, specifications, technologies, communication - automation, safety, security, storage, supply, personnel, Capex, Opex, procurement, schedule, permits... I have probably omitted at least equal amount of other topics.

The best suggestion is: get contract with someone who does refinery FEED studies for living. Everything else comes with much higher risk. Second option: get in touch with consultancy companies specialized in this stuff (e.g. I have very good experience with KBC) and let them prepare/review your contractual and engineering documents for FEED.

Building a refinery is such an expensive thing that you want to make sure everything goes as smooth as physically possible. Engaging an experienced 3rd party will cost you peanuts when compared to the total project cost.

Dejan IVANOVIC
Process Engineer, MSChE

RE: FEED for refineries

(OP)
Thank you very much for the tips. Best regards.

RE: FEED for refineries

It seems like they have been involved recently in the Refineria Del Pacific project http://www.kbcat.com/insights-reports/case-studies... so this more or less covers those areas you mentioned. I remember from my previous company business with KBC that virtually any kind of refinery-related consulting service can be tailored. Apart from studies on future expansion we also had a contract for test runs and operational modifications in several units.

Here is the RDP refinery. Too bad I do not understand Spanish. http://www.rdp.ec/

Dejan IVANOVIC
Process Engineer, MSChE

RE: FEED for refineries

Steve,
in the past 30 years, I've followed FEED projects for refineries.
Generally an owner, before starting a FEED, has already done a lot of work; at least:
- A market study (from companies like Purvin & Gertz, Nexant, ICIS...)
- A feasibility study including a configuration study (the field where KBC is strong)
- The preliminary definition of the main licensed units (thru competing technical proposals asked to companies like UOP-Honeywell, IFP-Axens. Shell, CLG, ExxonMobil......)
- A bank/financial advisor has been already involved in the process to start looking at the financial aspects
- Contacts with the local Authorities have been already established and well developed to understand their requirements
....
All this materials will only be a starting point (for companies like Foster Wheeler, Fluor, WorleyParsons....) for the FEED, a project lasting about 12-18 months and involving hundreds of engineers (plus the supporting people).
At the end of this effort, all the Bid documentation will be available to the Owner staff.
You've to think about hundreds of big books (or the equivalent in electronic format).
As Dejan already wrote, it's impossible to cover every aspect of this matter on a single post, but I hope to have provided you with a more detailed view "from inside".
Good luck!

Red Flag This Post

Please let us know here why this post is inappropriate. Reasons such as off-topic, duplicates, flames, illegal, vulgar, or students posting their homework.

Red Flag Submitted

Thank you for helping keep Eng-Tips Forums free from inappropriate posts.
The Eng-Tips staff will check this out and take appropriate action.

Reply To This Thread

Posting in the Eng-Tips forums is a member-only feature.

Click Here to join Eng-Tips and talk with other members!


Resources


Close Box

Join Eng-Tips® Today!

Join your peers on the Internet's largest technical engineering professional community.
It's easy to join and it's free.

Here's Why Members Love Eng-Tips Forums:

Register now while it's still free!

Already a member? Close this window and log in.

Join Us             Close