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NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

(OP)
Right now I create a dimension of the hole depth (usually from a view where the hole is shown as hidden), remove the extension and arrow lines, then place the dimension (with needed appended text) in the callout under the hole size.

This process, while tedious, worked fine in NX7.5, but I'm running into problems in NX9. After creating the depth dimension and placing it, I would turn off the hidden lines in the view where the dimension originated. Now, in NX9 when I do that, the dimension becomes unassociative.

Is this a change in NX9, or am I missing a setting or something that I had toggled in NX7.5, and must now do in NX9?

Someone suggested that I create a section view through the hole, create the dimension, and then redo the boundaries of that section view so that it does not show up on the print. I've done this type of thing in the past, but I don't think it is good practice to have a bunch of "invisible" views floating around the drawing.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks.

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

Don't know about NX9, but here's how in NX6 (and for quite awhile before). If not using Master Model, you can skip the Link to Part step.
Edit Appended text -> Relationships -> Expression -> Link to Part -> choose appropriate feature expression which reflects the dimension you need.

"Know the rules well, so you can break them effectively."
-Dalai Lama XIV

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

Instead of "Expression" you can also use "Object Attribute" or "Part Attribute"

"Know the rules well, so you can break them effectively."
-Dalai Lama XIV

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

(OP)
Thanks, ewh.

When I go to Edit Appended Text, I'm not seeing Relationships as an option. Maybe it's not there in NX9.

BUT, this is the kind of solution I'm looking for. If anyone knows how to accomplish this in NX9, please enlighten me.

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

Could try Insert -> Dimension -> Feature Parameters and see if that gets what you need. It has a specific format that is uses though so it may not match your standards. (I'm not on NX 9 so I'm not sure if the command works the same)

Daniel Sikes
Design Engineer
Young Touchstone
NX 8.0.3.4

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

If you're running NX 9.0, are you using the new 'Hole Callout' function? If so, are you aware that you can include the hole depth as part of the callout annotation, as shonw below?

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
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RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

(OP)
John, I don't see a picture in your post.

Also, when I try to use Hole Callout, I get a warning about making sure the feature data being fully loaded. How do I do that?

Thanks

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

(OP)
Okay, was able to get part fully loaded, but now when I go to Hole Callout, but I can't grab the hole in my view.

FYI, this is a part being detailed that is part of an assembly. In other words, the part I'm detailing is 2 levels down in the assembly navigator. Would this make a difference on the ability to use the Hole Callout function?

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

The assembly level at which the hole is found should not make any difference. However, make sure your Drawing views are 'Exact' and not 'Lightweight'.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
Cypress, CA
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RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

(OP)
John, I appreciate your help, and I apologize for my ignorance, but where would I check/change the drawing views for 'Exact' and 'Lightweight'?

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

(OP)
Okay, found it. They are set to Exact. Still no luck being able to grab the hole.

Yes, hole was created using Hole Function.

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

You are using the NEW 'Hole Callout' function, found as an option on the 'Radial' dimension dialog, correct?

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

(OP)
Yes, that is correct.

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

With NX9, if you're using "Exact" views, hiding the geometry the dimension is attached to will cause the dimension to become retained.

You may be better using "Exact (Pre-NX8.5)" views to minimise the problem.

NX 9.0.3.4
NX 10 (Testing)
Windows 7 64 (Windows 8.1 Tablet)

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

Adding on to phillpd's post:

To use the "Exact (Pre-NX 8.5) views, you (or the CAD admin) may have to enable them in the customer defaults. You will find the option in Drafting -> View -> general.

www.nxjournaling.com

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

(OP)
I am using Exact views.

I am working in NX9. Not sure how stuff that works in NX8.5 will help me.

Still happening. Turn on hidden lines, create dimension, turn off hidden lines - dimension becomes unassociated.

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

(OP)
Also still interested in possibly using the attributes/Hole Callout that you were talking about, JohnRBaker.

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

(OP)
Okay, I found this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BG4t6Si3II

It shows exactly what I want to do, except when they click on the wrench, then the Settings "A", they get an option in the Settings box of "Hole Callout" where they proceed to fix things up the way they want them.

There is no "Hole Callout" in my settings box. Instead there is "Reference." Funny thing is, they are doing all of this under Inferred, not Hole Callout.

Help! Please!

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

I'm also working with NX9, but "Exact" doesn't work for us, we've had to switch our Customer Defaults and Templates to make use of "Exact (Pre-NX8.5)"

NX 9.0.3.4
NX 10 (Testing)
Windows 7 64 (Windows 8.1 Tablet)

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

Using NX 9.0.3.4 I have NO problems whatsoever creating the new Hole Callouts with 'Exact' (not pre-NX 8.5 exact but the NEW 'Exact' view style) Drawing views.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

(OP)
John, why is Hole Callout not showing up in my settings, as I referred to above?

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

To get the Hole Callout 'Settings' you had to have actually selected a Hole Callout to edit. If you go to Drawing Preferences then you can preset the Hole Callout options.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

(OP)
John, in the video I posted, they use Inferred to create the callout, then are able to go to Hole Callout in the Settings. Is this because Hole Callout is one of the Inferred options, and NX senses that it is a hole and infers that?

Regardless, Hole Callout is not working for me, via Hole Callout or Inferred.

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

I've never even tried using the 'Inferred' Method when creating a Hole Callout. The only workflow I use is to explicitly set the 'Radial' dimension Method option to 'Hole Callout' before I select the hole(s) of interest. I was not aware that we even tried to sort out holes from circles when creating an 'Inferred' dimension, primarily because I've always assumed that it would be too ambiguous to work in a reliable and consistent manner.

That being said, I just tested this using NX 9.0.3.4 and for the 'Rapid' dimension there is NO way that the 'Inferred' method would ever find the 'hole' feature. Now in the case of using the 'Inferred' method with the 'Radial' dimension, that does actually work, but ONLY if you use QuickPick to make sure that you're actually selecting the 'Hole' and not the arc which represents the edge of the hole, or you set the Selection Filter to 'Feature' first before trying to pick the 'Hole'. With that in mind, I've think it's easier to just change the 'Radial' Method to 'Hole Callout' and go from there. Besides, it's likely that at that stage of my process I may be dimensioning several holes so this would be the most efficient approach to take, at least in my humble opinion winky smile

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

(OP)
Thanks for the info, John - but I'm still no closer to being able to use Hole Callout. It simply isn't working. I set Radial to Hole Callout, then attempt to click on the hole, nothing happens. The hole does not highlight, there is no recognition that there is something there I'm trying to grab onto.

For now, I have figured out how to use expressions using Relationships in Appended Text. I'm sure that using the Hole Callout function would be quicker and easier, but I can't get it to work. I'm sure it's something I'm doing/not doing/don't have set right, but I've tried all of the things suggested in this thread, including Exact(pre-NX8.5) (which was the default setting anyway).

Very frustrating!

Grrr!!

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

Can you at least provide an image of what the Drawing view looks like and indicate which hole(s) it is that you're attempting to select?

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

The CGM file shows the curve to be an arc so it should be selectable as such. The hole was created as a Hole Feature, correct? I mean it was not an arc extruded and subtracted. Try this, go into Information -> Object... and select the arc to make sure it's actually an arc in your drawing view.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

(OP)
Yes, I created the hole using Hole Feature.

Yes, it is an arc.

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

Then without that actual part file and Drawing, there is nothing else that I can suggest. If you can't post that data here, then please contact GTAC and have them look at this.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

Quote (randy64 {16 Jan 15 19:12})

Okay, was able to get part fully loaded, but now when I go to Hole Callout, but I can't grab the hole in my view.

When you created the hole feature, what type did you pick (general, drill size, hole series, etc)?

Callouts don't seem to work so well with "hole series" type holes...

www.nxjournaling.com

RE: NX9 - How do you make hole depth callouts associative?

(OP)
I always use General Hole or Threaded Hole.

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