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Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

(OP)
Hi,

I'm working with Nx8.5. While in Drafting I go to: Preferences/Annotation, I select tolerance and then chose "Upper Right" from the drop-down of "Alignment Position". Now I create a dimension with a +/- tolerance and the tolerance is still defaulting to being directly to the right of the dimension instead of to the upper right of the dimension where I need it to be. I have also tried the same method after creating the dimension, left clicking on the dimension and bringing up the Edit function. Is there something that I am missing that I need to do?

Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

I always thought that alignment position refered to where the text as a whole is placed relative to the cursor position.

"Know the rules well, so you can break them effectively."
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RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

(OP)
I need to place the tolerance to the upper right of the dimension. If I am not going about doing so in the correct way please tell me the proper way to make this happen.

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

Are you working to a particular drafting standard?

www.nxjournaling.com

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

(OP)
I work for a large U.S. manufacturer of solid round cutting tools. If you are familiar with the NAS 986 (which is in no way intended to be a drafting standard) and you look at the formatting, when you see toleranced example dimensions their tolerances are always slightly smaller and to the upper right of the dimension. This is not an uncommon practice (at least within the U.S.) as I've seen this done often throughout other jobs I've had. I was also able to do this easily with Nx4, but that was a little while ago... I cannot be 100% sure of exactly how it was achieved.

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

Search the Help files for Symbols and Text Control Characters.
Among them is Superscript <H>, which will place a half-size character above the top line of the text. Use <H> at the start and at the end of the characters to be superscripted.

"Know the rules well, so you can break them effectively."
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RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

(OP)
ewh, I'm really not sure you are getting what I mean. It is really quite simple.

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

Perhaps an image of what you're looking for might help...

John R. Baker, P.E.
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Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
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RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

That's still not giving him what he wants as it doesn't work with a '±' tolerance.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

you're right John, I forgot about the '±'.
Only other way I can see it being done in NX4 or NX8.5 is to do it as appended text.

Anthony Galante
Senior Support Engineer



NX3 to NX10 with almost every MR (21versions)

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

(OP)
Thanks MickyV007. That is precisely what I am looking for. Can you please let me know how to adjust the spacing between the dimension and the tolerance? In your attachment the tolerance is much closer to the dimension (which looks right to me). If you see my attachment here, they look a bit far apart.

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

Be aware that MickyV007's method will result in a dimension with manual text; this means the value of the dimension will NOT update if/when the geometry changes. You have been warned!

www.nxjournaling.com

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

(OP)
Thanks Cowski, I do realize this. If there is a way that you know of to achieve my desired result as "tolerance" instead of "appended text" please by all means let me know.

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

This may or may not work, seeing as you are already aware of the text control characters winky smile
<Gr> where r is the spacing factor relative to the current spacing

"Know the rules well, so you can break them effectively."
-Dalai Lama XIV

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

Of course, that does not solve the associativity issue...

"Know the rules well, so you can break them effectively."
-Dalai Lama XIV

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

Or just place a space between 12 and <H>

Best regards,

Michaël.

NX7.5.4.4 (NX8.5.3) + TC Unified 8.3
Win 7 64 bit



RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

NX does not fully support the style you desire. The best course of action is to use what NX offers and open an 'enhancement request' (ER) with GTAC. You will get the full benefit of what NX offers and you may get the dimension style you want in a future release.

If you are really stuck on this dimension style and simply must use it now, I suggest creating the tolerance as a separate note and using the 'origin' tool to associate it with the dimension (as the dimension moves, the tolerance note moves with it). It will look like your example, but you may lose out on some functionality (if any downstream functionality queries your drawing dimensions they won't pick up on the 'tolerances' that you have added, but the dimensions themselves will be fully associative to the model).

www.nxjournaling.com

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

(OP)
Cowski, going back a couple of steps... I never selected the dimension itself to edit appended text and then clicked on the dimension again to replace the dimension with a desired manual value. My Dimension is still live with the model, the tolerance is just an "appended text" rather than a "tolerance" so in this case we would have no ability to control the appended text tolerance with an expression. That is what I thought you were getting at with your warning, and I was a bit confused with the last few replies about spacing until I realized the method everyone was talking about wasn't exactly what I did.

Can we adjust the spacing between a dimension and its' appended text? Also, Cowski, how does one use the origin tool?

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

If you follow MickyV007's original instructions exactly, you will end up with a dimension with manual text. The dimension value itself (not the tolerance) will not update if/when your model changes. If you model a block 5 units long, and place such a dimension in the drafting view, the dimension will always read "5" (no matter the actual length of the block) until you change the value manually or convert it back to automatic text.

If you use appended text and MickyV007's suggestion about the <H> tags, you might get what you want.

www.nxjournaling.com

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

(OP)
I did not follow MickyV007's instructions exactly. I did what you have suggested in (If you use appended text and Micky007's suggestion about the <H> tags, you might get what you want.)

I have achieved what I show in my last attachment whilst maintaining live connection between the model and the dimension (thanks everyonebigsmile), so at this point I really would like to know where I can adjust default spacing between appended text and dimensions.

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

Let me warn you about going the route of requesting that we enhance NX Drafting to support what you're try to do. Unless you can demonstrate that what you're looking for is supported by one of the generally used international Drafting standards, there is very little chance that we will consider this. If this is NOT part of a standard and you still want to create tolerance callouts in this manner, you will need to either create the nonstandard tolerance manually or else you'll need to use NX Open to create a custom applications to format your dimensions as you want them. If done properly you'll be able to retain your associative dimensions yet still have the tolerance callouts attached to the dimension objects.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

(OP)
Hi John,

I'm not requesting a change in Nx here. I do however find it odd that the only options for placement of a proper tolerance are directly to the right, directly above, and directly below the dimension. As I mentioned before I've seen tolerancing done to the upper right of the dimension quite frequently regardless of what company the prints came from. Can you tell me how to adjust the default distance between a dimension and its' toloerance/appended text?

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

Are you saying that you've seen people creating Drawings in NX which are placing the tolerance in this manner? Or were these handdrawn drawings?

But getting back to the standards issue, unless you can show where this is supported by a standard, there will be no motivation for us to support it. We are committed to support the commonalty used international standards. If you wish to doing something nonstandard, we provide manual ways to do it as well a suite of customization tools that can be used to automate the process.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

(OP)
I'm just saying that through my own experience at different areas of manufacturing while looking at prints from many different customers that I've seen this style of toleranceing used quite commonly. What is the suite of customization tools you mention? Is it possible that at my previous place of employment they could have customized their tolerancing to be to the upper right of the dimension?

RE: Position of tolerance in association with the dimension

Primarily NX Open applaictions, AKA 'user-written custom programms'.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Digital Factory
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

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