Patents involved with ASME Y14.5-2009
Patents involved with ASME Y14.5-2009
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Anyone know what patent may be infringed by users of the 2009 version of the standard?
Is this just boilerplate for all ASME standards?
It is mentioned in the Foreword, but not identified.
There is a more vaguely worded warning in the 1994 version.
Is this just boilerplate for all ASME standards?
It is mentioned in the Foreword, but not identified.
There is a more vaguely worded warning in the 1994 version.





RE: Patents involved with ASME Y14.5-2009
Chris, CSWA
SolidWorks 14
SolidWorks Legion
RE: Patents involved with ASME Y14.5-2009
Since the information and concepts presented in the ASME spec have long been in the public domain you cannot make a US patent claim using any part of the spec as a basis.
RE: Patents involved with ASME Y14.5-2009
"NOTE: The user’s attention is called to the possibility that compliance with this Standard may require use of an invention
covered by patent rights."
RE: Patents involved with ASME Y14.5-2009
I can see a situation where a company might contract with the federal government to supply replacement parts for a piece of legacy hardware originally designed and built by one company, that requires use of a drawing produced by that company, and the contents of the drawing were covered by a limited rights agreement, so the company contracting to supply the replacement parts could be required to pay the other company a license fee for selling parts that must conform to the drawing requirements including any specific GD&T.
RE: Patents involved with ASME Y14.5-2009
Lockheed also made us pay for the C-130 drawings that we had to use to modify those aircraft.
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Ben Loosli
RE: Patents involved with ASME Y14.5-2009
http://cstools.asme.org/Interpretation/Interpretat...
RE: Patents involved with ASME Y14.5-2009
John-Paul Belanger
Certified Sr. GD&T Professional
Geometric Learning Systems
RE: Patents involved with ASME Y14.5-2009
"Requests for interpretation must be limited to an interpretation of a particular requirement in the Standard or Code Case. ASME does not "approve," "certify," "rate," or "endorse" any item, construction, proprietary device, or activity.
Additionally, the committees cannot consider consulting type questions such as the following:
1) a review of calculations, design drawings, or descriptions of equipment or parts to determine compliance with the requirements in the Standard;
2) a request for assistance in performing any Code-prescribed functions related to, but not limited to, material selection, designs, calculations, fabrication, inspection, testing, or installation;
3) a request seeking the rationale for a requirement in the Standard since these are based upon consideration of technical data and the experience and expertise of the individual committee members.
If your inquiry does not meet the requirements for submittal as stated above, it may not be accepted by the committee for review."
Specifically excluded from any interpretation: A112.4.7, A112.6.5, A112.18.6, A112.19.8M, A112.20.1, A112.20.2, A112.20.3, A112.21.2M, B1, B1.1, B1.2, B1.3M, B1.5, B1.7M, B1.8, B1.9, B1.10M, B1.11, B1.12, B1.13, B1.15, B1.16M, B1.20.1, B1.20.2M, B1.20.3, B1.20.5, B1.20.7, B1.21M, B1.22M, B1.25, B1.30, B94.9, B4.1, B4.2, B4.3, B18.5.2.3M, B18.15M, B32.1, B32.2, B32.3M, B32.4M, B32.5, B32.6M, B32.100, B32.300, B36.10M, B36.19M, B40.2, B40.5, B40.6, B40.100, B40.200, B46.2, B47.1, B89.1.14, B89.1.19, B89.3.8, B89.5, B89.7.8, B107.35M, PTC 47.1, PTC 47.2, Y14.1, Y14.1M, Y14.2M, Y14.3M, Y14.4M, Y14.5M, Y14.5.1, Y14.5.2, Y14.6, Y14.7.1, Y14.7.2, Y14.8, Y14.13M, Y14.18M, Y14.24, Y14.31, Y14.32.1M, Y14.34, Y14.35M, Y14.36M, Y14.37, Y14.38, Y14.40.0, Y14.40.1, Y14.40.2, Y14.40.3, Y14.40.4, Y14.40.5, Y14.40.6, Y14.40.7, Y14.40.8, Y14.40.9, Y14.40.10, Y14.40.11, Y14.40.12, Y14.40.13, Y14.40.14, Y14.40.15, Y14.41, Y14.42, Y14.43, Y14.44, Y14.45, Y14.100
RE: Patents involved with ASME Y14.5-2009
Almost every engineering drawing produced by a vendor as part of a government defense contract has a notation stating something like "interpret dimensions and tolerances IAW ASME Y14.5-2009" and another statement saying something about the limited rights agreement period regarding the IP contained in the drawing. Let's say the vehicle model the component described by the drawing was used on is no longer in production, the limited rights period has ended, but the vehicle is still in service with the military. And the military issues an RFQ for a supply of spares of this component that must conform to the requirements shown on the drawing, including ASME Y14.5. Since the OEM now has sole rights to sell any component produced conforming to the design described on the drawing, if any other company wants to sell the component they must get approval from the OEM. It's a catch 22. The government is required to offer the contract for spares on an open competitive bid basis, and since the design is already qualified the spares must conform exactly to the drawing requirements.
When the vendor delivers the spare parts they are usually required to also submit a CofC (Certificate of Conformance), which basically states the product they are delivering conforms to all applicable contract requirements, including a dimensional inspection that interprets the GD&T shown on the drawing in accordance with ASME Y14.5. The use of ASME Y14.5 GD&T on the drawing describing a proprietary design does not constitute a patent infringement, but the vendor supplying the spare parts must use that specific GD&T standard when producing them in order to be in compliance.
RE: Patents involved with ASME Y14.5-2009
ANSI policy is apparently that when they are given notice there is an applicable patent they will add the note in question.
This particular note appears to be starting in 2008. It doesn't mean that a patent is infringed, only that the ASME got notice that a patent covers some of the content of the standard.
So far the only U.S. one I've found (which may or may not be the reason for the note) on the topic that predates the 2009 issue is http://www.google.com/patents/US5949693, a lapsed patent by Tandler. It looks to deal a lot with the 'tertiary datum problem.' It also has a decent list of related patents, papers, and articles.
RE: Patents involved with ASME Y14.5-2009
Looking at the patent you linked, it's interesting that the references cited are mostly correspondences between ASME committee members. I'd like to know how Tandler was able to obtain these ASME committee correspondences.
RE: Patents involved with ASME Y14.5-2009
This is the Team Page at Multi Metrics with his abbreviated bio http://www.multimetrics.com/team.php
I suspect the correspondence was between Bill and the Committee. I don't know if he would answer, but his e-mail is on the http://www.multimetrics.com/contactUs.php page.