which commercial vehicle brands use More Ackerman setting and to what extent?
which commercial vehicle brands use More Ackerman setting and to what extent?
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Which commercial vehicle brands use More Ackerman setting and to what extent?
How do you estimate the percentage of More Ackerman that will suit your vehicle best?
How do you estimate the percentage of More Ackerman that will suit your vehicle best?





RE: which commercial vehicle brands use More Ackerman setting and to what extent?
What type of commercial vehicle are we talking about?
What's the application?
Just to put the thought in your mind ... In roadracing, there can be a benefit to "anti-ackermann", at least for the few degrees of steering on each side of centered, because the outside wheel when cornering has much more force on it and therefore has a much greater slip angle. "Anti-ackermann" can put the inside wheel in a more favorable (lower) slip angle when the outside wheel has a high slip angle due to the high side forces on it.
But in regular driving, with rather minimal cornering forces, the less the wheels have to slip sideways, the longer the tires will last, so the more accurate the Ackermann matches up with the vehicle's requirements (dependent on wheelbase and track width etc) the better off it will be ... in theory. But any "commercial vehicle" that has tandem axles (or more, on a trailer) is gonna have slip angles at the tandems that are fighting each other in sharp corners. On a trailer with many axles, you can see the side slippage.
Many cars have been built with Ackermann way out of whack. The old "box" GM full-size cars (1977-on) always squealed their tires when cornering, no matter how gently, because of how screwed up the front end geometry was. Lots of people still bought them.
FWIW lots of "commercial vehicle brands" buy their steering axles from the same set of suppliers, and I don't think they tailor the knuckles to the wheelbase ... they just set it to some nominal geometry that'll be okay for (almost) everyone and call it good enough. They are not building sports cars. It's better to just make all the axles the same.
RE: which commercial vehicle brands use More Ackerman setting and to what extent?
Since i'm only working on Pro-Ackerman (True,More,Less) at the moment, i'm trying to figure out when are each of these used and when they're used, to what extent and why to that particular extent.
RE: which commercial vehicle brands use More Ackerman setting and to what extent?
RE: which commercial vehicle brands use More Ackerman setting and to what extent?
Cheers
Greg Locock
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RE: which commercial vehicle brands use More Ackerman setting and to what extent?
RE: which commercial vehicle brands use More Ackerman setting and to what extent?
Why would you want more Ackerman? what would you have to do to the car to make it work? I know the answers, I'm just wondering what on earth you are getting at.
Cheers
Greg Locock
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RE: which commercial vehicle brands use More Ackerman setting and to what extent?
RE: which commercial vehicle brands use More Ackerman setting and to what extent?
Cheers
Greg Locock
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RE: which commercial vehicle brands use More Ackerman setting and to what extent?
How do I estimate the extent of more ackerman that I should apply to the vehicle? I mean, if the vehicle isn't built yet, and I want to figure out the extent of more ackerman that I should have on it having the wheelbase, track width and the degrees of Toe-in known.
RE: which commercial vehicle brands use More Ackerman setting and to what extent?
Cheers
Greg Locock
New here? Try reading these, they might help FAQ731-376: Eng-Tips.com Forum Policies http://eng-tips.com/market.cfm?
RE: which commercial vehicle brands use More Ackerman setting and to what extent?
Go to a motorcycle dealer and take a look at any of the production ATVs that they build. If the Ackermann is considerably out of whack, it will be visible when driving in a tight circle.
Or just design it at "nominal" and make something adjustable a little bit.