NX9 Toolbars
NX9 Toolbars
(OP)
Hi friends
I have a few hours using NX9, the enviroment is awesome, but I need to ordenate my tool bars, Some one of you knows how can I add a new tool bars?
Thanks a lot for your comments.
Tom
I have a few hours using NX9, the enviroment is awesome, but I need to ordenate my tool bars, Some one of you knows how can I add a new tool bars?
Thanks a lot for your comments.
Tom
NX 9.0 WINDOWS 8 ENTERPRISE





RE: NX9 Toolbars
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: NX9 Toolbars
You might start by making a new tab and bringing in your old toolbars as groups, for example.
If you want to customize using text files instead of interactively, get a copy of SFB-NX-7793 from GTAC, which discusses migrating from toolbars to the ribbon, and has a link to a great document available for download.
Mark Rief
Product Manager
Siemens PLM
RE: NX9 Toolbars
Is corect, I am using the new Ribbon interface.
Regards.
Tom
NX 9.0 WINDOWS 8 ENTERPRISE
RE: NX9 Toolbars
Thanks for your contribution, by other hand, is possible load my old roles (NX8)?
Best regards
Tom
NX 9.0 WINDOWS 8 ENTERPRISE
RE: NX9 Toolbars
Proud Member of the Reality-Based Community..
To the Toolmaker, your nice little cartoon drawing of your glass looks cool, but your solid model sucks. Do you want me to fix it, or are you going to take all week to get it back to me so I can get some work done?
RE: NX9 Toolbars
If you want to work with classic tool bars in NX9 instead of RIBBON:
MENU>PREFERENCES>USER INTERFACE>LAYOUT>TOGGLE_CLASSIC TOOLBARS
Now you can use your NX8 or NX8.5 roles.
Best regards
Tom
NX 9.0 WINDOWS 8 ENTERPRISE
RE: NX9 Toolbars
Now you can never say that you were not warned
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: NX9 Toolbars
... Tomas
RE: NX9 Toolbars
Trust me, contrary to what you might think, the changes in the UI that we have made over the years (and remember that I've seen 36+ years of those changes) not one of them were undertaken based solely on a decision by our developers or even our management, just for the sake of making changes. Everyone of them was based on pressure from the software marketplace and as a result of changes made by either hardware or software vendors who's efforts were seen as setting a new standard in what people came to expect when purchasing a new piece of software. And while we would like to think that we're some sort of pioneer in much of what is eeen as the PLM industry, in the area of User Interfaces, we have generally only taken-on making changes AFTER it had already become obvious that to not do so would have been detrimental to our being able to continue to win new business or to retain those customers which we had already sold our software products to. The 'cost' of making User Interface changes is NOT limited to just the 'retraining' costs borne by of customers but also by our company in both the development effort itself, but also in the internal 'retraining' costs as well what it cost to update user documentation and training materials used by our instructors. We never start one of these efforts without a very careful consideration of all of the 'players' who will be impacted or what sorts of costs will have to be covered, but to not do so would also result in 'costs' as well and these are also a part of this equation.
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: NX9 Toolbars
I agree with JohnRBaker, the change is unavoidable, and we need to prepare for the new tendences. This case is only a way to work quickly but the responsability of all of us is keep us updated.
Best regards
Tom
NX 9.0 WINDOWS 8 ENTERPRISE
RE: NX9 Toolbars
And as you say between the lines, "we have to follow the stream".
My rant is really not against Siemens, but MicroS..
The sad thing is that Microsoft has launched a completely new scheme which isn't better by nature than the previous UIF. Now Siemens has overcame a number of the weaknesses in this, by for example the command finder, by allowing extensive customization, keeping the "old text menu structure" etc etc.
I am not that happy about "making changes for the sake of the change", -If the change doesn't enhance the product, don't fix it.
Another note on the Ribbon bar compared to the "Old text menu structure" ( thank god it still exists in NX9...) is phone support, imagine trying to aid somebody on the ribbon bar over the phone,: "Now there should be a tab named xx ,- is there ? , ok you have to right click and enable the tab, in that there should be a square with a tiny arrow, no, -the arrow should should point down, click that arrow, -what does it read, -no you have to find another arrow, and so on...
Whilst in the "old text menu structure" one can write or say things like: Insert - Associative copy - Instance Geometry - Mirror etc etc.
Regards,
Tomas
RE: NX9 Toolbars
By then, it'll be someone else's responsibility to explain what and why we've done whatever it is that we'll have done
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: NX9 Toolbars
Reality check... I found the ribbon interface difficult at first however stick with it, take the time to learn all the customization tricks you can use, you'll find it MUCH faster to use than pull-down menus, I did. I have been through a number of UI changes on different CAD systems and this has been by far the easiest transition (for me).
RE: NX9 Toolbars
NX 6.0.5.3
NX 9.0.0.19 MP01
Windows 7 64
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There's your problem right there! Using a drawing board is faster then using pulldown menu's! But the issue isn't the issue of comparing Ribbon with PullDowns. Its comparing with ToolBars. And there is no way in hell its quicker then those. Its impossible (simply because your having to do more work with the clicker). Now i don't want to get into the whole debate as we've been there done that in an NX9 thread and i (and a few others) made the points very clear of what slows "The Ribbon" down and it is irrefutable. And as J.B. explained (eventually).. its a decision based not on actual usability. Of course having said all that Siemen's is by far the best ever first implementation of the Ribbon i have ever seen (hell, it beats most 50th implementations i've seen!). Which just makes it bearable to use for someone that gets real sick of clicking way more then one needs to (read: for pointless reasons).
RE: NX9 Toolbars
Proud Member of the Reality-Based Community..
To the Toolmaker, your nice little cartoon drawing of your glass looks cool, but your solid model sucks. Do you want me to fix it, or are you going to take all week to get it back to me so I can get some work done?
RE: NX9 Toolbars
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: NX9 Toolbars
Watch this video and tell me if this isn't the model of simplicity it's self. http://screencast.com/t/CTIw95gedp such a shame.
Best regards
Simon NX 7.5.4.4 MP8 and NX 8.5 (native) - TC 8 www.jcb.com
RE: NX9 Toolbars
Proud Member of the Reality-Based Community..
To the Toolmaker, your nice little cartoon drawing of your glass looks cool, but your solid model sucks. Do you want me to fix it, or are you going to take all week to get it back to me so I can get some work done?
RE: NX9 Toolbars
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: NX9 Toolbars
New interface looks like a big miss, even to an uneducated user.....
Proud Member of the Reality-Based Community..
To the Toolmaker, your nice little cartoon drawing of your glass looks cool, but your solid model sucks. Do you want me to fix it, or are you going to take all week to get it back to me so I can get some work done?
RE: NX9 Toolbars
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: NX9 Toolbars
MZ7DYJ
RE: NX9 Toolbars
A normal ribbon layout showing large icons w/text on the ribbon itself:
The same arrangement of icons only now as part of 'Gallery' created using the Customization tools where large icons can be sans text:
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: NX9 Toolbars
MZ7DYJ
RE: NX9 Toolbars
RE: NX9 Toolbars
The mantra at Siemens seems to be "Chaos is cash."
Proud Member of the Reality-Based Community..
To the Toolmaker, your nice little cartoon drawing of your glass looks cool, but your solid model sucks. Do you want me to fix it, or are you going to take all week to get it back to me so I can get some work done?
RE: NX9 Toolbars
Now some aesthetic cleanup of all the logo's wouldn't be a bad idea either. Look at all the different angled views, perspective, finishing and color use... What a mess from time to time. Take Apple as an example; they pixelpeep every icon they use. It will benefit for the everyday joy of use.
2x NX8.5.3.3 Mach Design
on win7 64bit
NX Beta Tester
1x Solid Edge ST2
RE: NX9 Toolbars
I have found that, but it's the loss of the function of the ALT button to bring the menu to my cursor whilst being able to see each tab so I can quickly zip through with my scroll wheel that I find disapointing. There is plenty of screen space for me in normal mode, I have 2 giant monitors. I just find that I have lost efficiency and simplicity/clarity with the new interface. I even sent a presention to your team in Cypress upon request of Adrian Fraser because I had pounded his ears after copious amounts of red wine detailing how I would have like to see the interface develop, I have attached it here, think Apple scroll wheels.
Cheers
Si
Best regards
Simon NX 7.5.4.4 MP8 and NX 8.5 (native) - TC 8 www.jcb.com
RE: NX9 Toolbars
First off, our User Interface people have been following this and other threads on the various help sites, looking at the PR's/ER's coming in, as well as digesting what we learned during beta testing. That being said, I just spent some time looking at what's being done for NX 10.0 and it would appear that a large number of the issues that have recently been raised with respect to both the Ribbon interface in general and such things as improved access to functions when working in full-screen mode, are being addressed. This was what we had expected would happen, that it would take some real-world usage and feedback before we would learn what we needed to look at when our first real chance to make significant changes came around, which in this case will be NX 10.0, which will be available about this time next year.
Now during this session today I did learn a couple of things that may help when working with this new 'Minimized Ribbon' mode now in NX 9.0. For one thing, when I first suggested using the 'Minimize Ribbon' option it was pointed out to me that this was still not optimal, but I think I can help with that. While it is true that when the ribbon was visible and had focus, you could use the left/right arrows to move from ribbon tab to ribbon tab, and once a ribbon was open you could use the up/down arrows to move from function to function within the ribbon then selecting 'Enter' to launch that operation, meaning that you can get to most all of your ribbon functions without having to move your cursor at all, there was still the PROBLEM that you HAD to use your cursor to get the ribbon to expand and get focus in the frist place to where you COULD use the arrow keys to change ribbon tabs or select functions. Well, one of the things I learned today was that pressing the 'Alt' key (as long as the cursor was not being moved) will give focus to the current ribbon. When working in the normal mode, the current ribbon will simply be given focus and then you can use the arrow keys to navigate. And if you're in the 'Minimize Ribbon' mode, pressing 'Alt' will cause the ribbon to BOTH expand AND get focus. Again, this means that you don't really need to use your cursor to open and/or change ribbons, or for that matter, select functions. Also, when a ribbon has focus, either in node mode or when the ribbon has been minimized, you can also use the 'Mouse Wheel' to move from ribbon tab to ribbon tab. Again, this should speed up navigating through the functions without having to move your cursor, and as I've mentioned, there are other things planned for NX 10.0 so the exchange here on this thread has actually been very helpful going forward.
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: NX9 Toolbars
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catia + nx have a larger toolset to use - you might look for in sw + se
combersome still is switching master model in nx between 3d + drawing almost 2 more extra clicks each time.
Over the years ug is removed nx has gotten extremly powerfull
sorry new in NX
regards
Erwin
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that's just most obvious in the UI usability department.
at work i had swx 2008 and at home i had 2013 and the latter was leaps and bounds ahead from the former. i realize that that's more difficult when you have such a vast system as nx, but still...
RE: NX9 Toolbars
That's because UG/NX and Catia actually has "baggage" to carry as both products have been around, in one form or another, for better than twice as long as has either SolidWorks or Solid Edge even existed (I've personally been using UG/NX for over 36 years). And don't forget that SolidWorks and Solid Edge have ONLY ever had to run on Windows-based systems while both UG/NX and Catia have evolved over the years first from proprietary mainframe-based systems to UNIX to Windows and at least in the case of NX, still supports LINUX. And with that "baggage" comes responsibilities and customer obligations. For example, I carry with me a part file, complete with a J-size Drawing sheet, which was last saved in UG V9.1 back in 1993, years before SolidWorks or Solid Edge was even a wild idea in someone's mind and yet I can open that part file, without any sort of explicit conversion operation, in the latest version of NX (I just now tested this in NX 9.0.1.3 and it opened in seconds and all the data is still there as valid and accurate as it was 20 years ago). I've hung onto this file just to make that point if and when someone asks how far back does NX support legacy part files.
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: NX9 Toolbars
regards
sorry new in NX
regards
Erwin
RE: NX9 Toolbars
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: NX9 Toolbars
sorry new in NX
regards
Erwin
RE: NX9 Toolbars
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: NX9 Toolbars
JBaker, has the steel framing (standard structural members) been improved in the new version of nx? (i.e. skeleton + library geometry instead of extrude, like the tubing/ wiring)
if not, any idea when? that's quite an important feature when designing support equipment for assembly etc.
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I had a discussion with John about this a while ago and he expressed that it was something they were looking at. I was hoping to have seen something by now but alas, no show. Its one feature i can't understand why it hasn't been implemented (plus i cant wait to see how the NX guys do it... it should be a very deep featured frame generating/cutlist creating beast!).
Any further news John?
RE: NX9 Toolbars
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.