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Piping and Pumps

Piping and Pumps

Piping and Pumps

(OP)
Hello,
Can anyone please leave a link or introduce me a book that explains the basics of loading/ offloading skids design.

Thanks,

RE: Piping and Pumps

would you care to explain / expand the question a little.

It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)

RE: Piping and Pumps

(OP)
Hi Artisi,
I would like to read more about the basics of designing a piping system for a loading / offloading skid. Like where to put what valve or filter and these kind of information.

Thanks,

RE: Piping and Pumps

Sorry, I do not understand the terminology "loading / unloading skid" can you please explain exactly what it is, where it's used etc .

It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)

RE: Piping and Pumps

(OP)
The pipeline system that is designed to load product from a bigger tank to a smaller tank ( tank, pipe, pump, filter, hose, dispenser ) and vice versa.
Thanks,

RE: Piping and Pumps

It will depend on what you're pumping, what flow rate you want to pump it at, what the tank sizes are, what climate you're located in, what special needs are required (filters?), what regulatory rules apply, what power source is available, how the system will be operated, and about a thousand other questions.

RE: Piping and Pumps

(OP)
That's why I'm looking for a reference so that I can go through and know what to do in different situations. I am a project coordinator so I do not need to design the system but I should be able to comment on it.
Thanks,

RE: Piping and Pumps

If you are not capable of designing such a system or at least have a very good knowledge of such a system, I can't see how you would be qualified to comment on it other than expediting it (as the project coordinator) as a piece of equipment that has been vetted by the project engineer / team as being in accordance with the design specification etc.

It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)

RE: Piping and Pumps

(OP)
It's not like I don't have any idea. I have got my M.Sc. degree in Mechanical but I'm new to this field. That's why I want to read and study about it.

RE: Piping and Pumps

Well, then, here's how I would suggest you approach it:

Find out what is being pumped, from where, to where, at what flow rate.
Determine if the skid is capable of doing that, comment appropriately.
Find out what materials are suitable for the piping, valves, and any other appurtenances. Determine if the skid is designed appropriately, and comment.
find out what, if any, regulatory rules prevail, and comment on whether the skid takes this into account or not.
Find out what climate is applicable, indoors, outdoors, cold, hot, humid, dry, etc, and comment on whether the skid is designed appropriately.
Find out how the skid will be operated, manually, locally, remotely, etc, and comment appropriately.
Find out if skid needs to be portable or not, review design, and comment appropriately.
Find out what power supply is available, review design, and comment appropriately.

That will be a good start.

RE: Piping and Pumps

Hint: Your boss is a good first place to start.

Find out what your company does, find out what they want from you, find out how they did their last job and what lessons learned were written down to do the next one easier, smarter, cheaper and faster.

Your question makes no more, and actually much less, sense than "tell me how to design a pipe."

RE: Piping and Pumps

(OP)
haha. thanks for your help. I thought like how do we have a book on basics of thermodynamics, or CFD or any subject, there should be one on pipeline design. Apparently, there is not.

Thanks,

RE: Piping and Pumps

Did ya try Google..?
I just did:

Link

I would think that might be a good place to start.

stk

RE: Piping and Pumps

This terminology is used in transportation industry. It means the skid with the equipment on it will be carried by track and left in place by the track. Loading/offloading can be done using a winch attached onto the track through sliding action or vertical by another separate/attached equipment. You need to find out what kind of equipment is used for the loading/offloading to start designing the skid.

You need to find out the local road authority requirements for the loads on track. Some authorities ask for 2g acceleration in all directions to design the equipment and its connections to the skid and track.

You can get better help from structural engineers.

Hope it helps.

Ibrahim Demir

RE: Piping and Pumps

(OP)
Thanks for the replies. This forum is really useful. I will keep posting my questions here and hopefully, down the road, I might be able to answer some.

RE: Piping and Pumps

Liquid logistics are handled by our logistic engineers. It also has been called "distribution" and "packaging" in the past. Try searching on those.

Good luck,
Latexman

Technically, the glass is always full - 1/2 air and 1/2 water.

RE: Piping and Pumps

SAZE:

Thank you for your questions, and your responses. But recognize that we do not know enough to help, to even begin to plan a way to help - much less tell where to look for more information - without more details. And, without specific details (liquid oxygen behaves differently than melted tar and has different hazards than gasoline or sand blasting grit or wheat or the "mud" pumped from drilling support trucks. An insecticide or lawn fertilizer "skid" is as important to its customer as the liquid oxygen is, and just as likely to be fined for misuse of the load, but a lawn fertilizer skid or septic tank skid won't be operated by the same level of training and supervision as a NASA-provided liquid oxygen refueling truck.

Without enough information, our effort is both useless, wrong, and a waste of time; or useful helpful and will save you much effort. All at the same time.

On a different thread, a person asked how to analyzie a bent wire under an impact load:
My reply there was equally "impertinent" for this same reason:

Quote (RACook)

"You have (apparently) a "net" or maybe a wire weave of an unknown dia wire of unknown material, unknown weave displacement and characteristics, unknown density of wires/area. That weave or net is suspended by unknown stiffness - probably around its circumference, maybe at only a few points. Once suspended, a load is imposed of unknown density, mass, unknown area/total area of the net, total size with respect tot he weave. At an unknown impact or dynamic.

So, what happens?

Don't know. Did you drop a cannonball into a hammock suspended at both ends by a between two palm trees? Or a ping pong ball into a window screen supported all the way around, or a bowling ball into a wire chickenwire mesh, or a dump truck mass of sand and gravel into a grading sieve ?"

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