Dimensioning a safety rail
Dimensioning a safety rail
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I've been asked to put a safety rail on a structure that has to be able to support 3 people falling off
The rail would be 4m long and the people are attached to 2m long safety lines.
So worst case scenario is all 3 of them fall simultaneously in the middle of the rail and fall down 2 meters before their lifeline pulls the rail.
If anyone has any ideas of how to calculate the required strength of the rail, your help would be appreciated.
(rail would be S355 steel and is allowed to deform but not break)
Google only gives me formulas where you have to 'assume' a certain amount of deflection to calculate the impact force, but that doesn't seem to be what I'm looking for.
I've tried using m.g.h=kx²/2 where:
k=48EI/L³
x=deflection of the rail
but kinda get stuck.
The rail would be 4m long and the people are attached to 2m long safety lines.
So worst case scenario is all 3 of them fall simultaneously in the middle of the rail and fall down 2 meters before their lifeline pulls the rail.
If anyone has any ideas of how to calculate the required strength of the rail, your help would be appreciated.
(rail would be S355 steel and is allowed to deform but not break)
Google only gives me formulas where you have to 'assume' a certain amount of deflection to calculate the impact force, but that doesn't seem to be what I'm looking for.
I've tried using m.g.h=kx²/2 where:
k=48EI/L³
x=deflection of the rail
but kinda get stuck.
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RE: Dimensioning a safety rail
Have you a sketch of the rail and how it is supported, also any details of the safety lines ie size, elastic properties etc
As a rough starting point I would take the average weight of a man (about 70kg) multiply it by three and then double it, giving about 420kg.
Add a good safety factor in to the figure above and go from there.
Have you looked to see what standards might cover this kind of equiptment or as your company done anything like this before that you could look at.
RE: Dimensioning a safety rail
It's easy to calculate the required strength of the bar if I know the force that acts on it. I just don't know how to properly implement the "falling force" or whatever I should call it. (the effect of 3 men falling 2 meters down and that fall being stopped by the rail)
The rail would be welded into the construction (work platform), with some reinforcements at the end to prevent them from being ripped out.
Can't seem to find anything in the standard other than they have to be "strong enough"...
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I've just done a quick first order calc and after 2m vertical fall, the velocity of your man after a 2m fall from a standing start is about 6.5 m/sec (Vel^2 = 2gh). Force to stop this in say 0.1 seconds is then F= M X A = 4900N - 490 kg force PER PERSON. This is about 7G loading so about right for a dead stop. Skydivers stop from about 60m/sec in about 3 seconds and hit peaks of 3G. I know from personal experience if you don't have your leg straps done up tightly it HURTS.
Therefore you need to allow for a force of about 3 tonnes to stop this failing in service. This is going to be some size rail...
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RE: Dimensioning a safety rail
So if I take 3x6kN=18kN and add some safety factor I guess I'll be fine.
You'll be pretty close with the 3tonnes :s
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Guess this'll give me enough to start with.
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RE: Dimensioning a safety rail
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RE: Dimensioning a safety rail
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RE: Dimensioning a safety rail
Person of 100kg (a bit more like it) falling 2.5 m or static weight of 10000 kN (1000 kg)
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RE: Dimensioning a safety rail
1926.502(d)
"Personal fall arrest systems." Personal fall arrest systems and their use shall comply with the provisions set forth below. Effective January 1, 1998, body belts are not acceptable as part of a personal fall arrest system. Note: The use of a body belt in a positioning device system is acceptable and is regulated under paragraph (e) of this section.
1926.502(d)(1)
Connectors shall be drop forged, pressed or formed steel, or made of equivalent materials.
1926.502(d)(2)
Connectors shall have a corrosion-resistant finish, and all surfaces and edges shall be smooth to prevent damage to interfacing parts of the system.
1926.502(d)(3)
Dee-rings and snaphooks shall have a minimum tensile strength of 5,000 pounds (22.2 kN).
1926.502(d)(4)
Dee-rings and snaphooks shall be proof-tested to a minimum tensile load of 3,600 pounds (16 kN) without cracking, breaking, or taking permanent deformation.
1926.502(d)(5)
Snaphooks shall be sized to be compatible with the member to which they are connected to prevent unintentional disengagement of the snaphook by depression of the snaphook keeper by the connected member, or shall be a locking type snaphook designed and used to prevent disengagement of the snaphook by the contact of the snaphook keeper by the connected member. Effective January 1, 1998, only locking type snaphooks shall be used.
1926.502(d)(6)
Unless the snaphook is a locking type and designed for the following connections, snaphooks shall not be engaged:
1926.502(d)(6)(i)
directly to webbing, rope or wire rope;
1926.502(d)(6)(ii)
to each other;
1926.502(d)(6)(iii)
to a dee-ring to which another snaphook or other connector is attached;
1926.502(d)(6)(iv)
to a horizontal lifeline; or
1926.502(d)(6)(v)
to any object which is incompatibly shaped or dimensioned in relation to the snaphook such that unintentional disengagement could occur by the connected object being able to depress the snaphook keeper and release itself.
1926.502(d)(7)
On suspended scaffolds or similar work platforms with horizontal lifelines which may become vertical lifelines, the devices used to connect to a horizontal lifeline shall be capable of locking in both directions on the lifeline.
1926.502(d)(8)
Horizontal lifelines shall be designed, installed, and used, under the supervision of a qualified person, as part of a complete personal fall arrest system, which maintains a safety factor of at least two.
1926.502(d)(9)
Lanyards and vertical lifelines shall have a minimum breaking strength of 5,000 pounds (22.2 kN).
1926.502(d)(10) 1926.502(d)(10)(i)
Except as provided in paragraph (d)(10)(ii) of this section, when vertical lifelines are used, each employee shall be attached to a separate lifeline.
RE: Dimensioning a safety rail
See my attachment that deals with the application of momentum, PE and KE for a falling object or person attached by a lanyard with and without shock absorbing material (could also be detachable stitches weaved into the webbing material). Note the column "Using manufacturers' reference material and since I had this sheet for several years thinking that it would never be resurrected you may want to research the numbers in those columns as they may have been revised. Millers fall protection equipment has a myriad of fall protection equipment that can assist you in your research.
RE: Dimensioning a safety rail
Equate the potential energy of the falling persons to the spring/deformation energy of the rail.
Although, without opening the link I believe that my be what chicopee is suggesting.
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I would be very careful on this kind of design work. I’ve been involved in several law suits (not my designs) where the OEM had a fairly reasonablely designed piece of equipment which was then used incorrectly or loaded improperly or assembled improperly by some incompetents up on the roof. These people, or others, then came back after the OEM for damages caused by the users own incompetence. The OEM should have foreseen this possible misuse and designed to prevent them. There certainly is a need for this type of equipment when it is well designed and built, but the potential for misuse is pretty great, so be sure your liability insurance is paid up. You can hardly do enough in the way of instructions, labels on the equip., instructional videos, etc. to keep yourself out of court.
You say.... “The product gets sold to a company who then rents it out. Safety lines are to be provided by the end user so they can vary.” Which type of safety line causes worst loading and can all three happen at once and be applied at the same point? And you say..., “The rail would be welded into the construction (work platform), with some reinforcements at the end to prevent them from being ripped out.” Yes, it can yield and deflect, it just can’t fail during the incident, and is it the actual loading or the magic 5k? Who does this design to keep your whatcha callit out of the ringer? Who selects the lanyards fall arresting or not? Then, add to that the ambiguity of OSHA, et.al. and attorneys have a field day with this kind of b.s. I would expect each man to have his own lifeline and his own tie-off point. Then design these tie-off points for 5k at failure or pull out, and you have something reasonably defendable. I believe that if you can define the type of lanyard sued and the max. man plus equip. load you can finesse the 5k load a bit, with sufficient testing of that entire system.
RE: Dimensioning a safety rail
And I'm not sure I would get down in the weeds trying to figure out the momentum and forces involved in a falling body. Strictly speaking your rail won't see those forces. It will only see the forces applied to it by the harnesses. And those harnesses all have maximum ratings. That should be the basis for your strength calculations.
RE: Dimensioning a safety rail
as EN795 sais the force for falling is 10kN for one person, for every person extra count 1kN (pt.4.3.4)because they never fall at the same time, there is always (a fraction of) a second between .
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I considered looking at the harnesses for the falling force, but found out the EN795 (european norm) is stricter, and since I don't know exactly which falling protection they'll be wearing, I'd rather just follow the norm.
@europipe
Thanks, I'm looking into ordering the norm as we speak( just got back from holiday). I will definitely look that part up since it reduced the required strength of the bar severely.
@racookpe1978:
there is indeed a big difference between hand rails and safety bars.
EN280 mentions 400N (~90pounds, which is ,surprisingly, quite a bit less than what you're saying)
@everyone suggesting I look up EN795: thanks, but I already figured that out quite some time ago (which you would've noticed had you read the thread).
@everyone else: thanks for your contributions!
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