Building Collapse in Philly
Building Collapse in Philly
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Building Collapse in Philly
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Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
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Michael.
"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved." ~ Tim Minchin
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This really makes you wonder what else they have no clue about and are just stringing words together to fill time.
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As structural engineers, we just have to do our homework and think out of the box. Smaller scenario, but the same issue...
Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
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"We shape our buildings, thereafter they shape us." -WSC
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Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
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a permit does nothing but give the mayor a covering in the press for his political bottom line.
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Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
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http://enr.construction.com/business_management/sa...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/14/us-usa-c...
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The defendants' lawyers fees will likely exceed the fines imposed for killing six people.
They should be hanged.
No, wait; they should be crushed under a big pile of brick.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
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Surely that is a copout. Some of the people who were killed in that building were employees...of the thrift shop. Their occupational safety is just as important as the employees of the demolition contractor.
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Per the Reuters article, there have already been 15 suits filed and the owner of one company is in jail awaiting charges.
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The ENR article quotes an OSHA representative saying the contactors had "deliberate neglect of demolition fundamentals".
The Reuters article states one of the contractors is in jail awaiting a preliminary hearing on charges of involuntary manslaughter and reckless endangerment.
Neither article had details on any pending civil litigation.
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Assuming the majority of us are employees, then any harm to humanity could be cited as endangering employees. But it's not OSHA's job to run around and investigate every murder and traffic accident that occurs, either.
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I don't think they've done an exemplary job even in places where the casualties occur entirely within the workplace.
In this instance, the workplace perimeter was arguably extended to include parts of an adjacent building, by the act of toppling the building being deconstructed on top of said adjacent building. Therefore at least some of the innocents died within the offending workplace.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
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OSHA is not the federal police agency, and there are all kinds of safety, health, and liability issues that do not fall under their jurisdiction. "The general duty clause of the Act states that each employer 'shall furnish...a place of employment which is free from recognized hazards that are causing or are likely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees.'" The "likely to cause death or harm to employees" is what OSHA is fining for in this case. The "actually did kill other people on the adjacent property" is a potential criminal case, and a civil liability case, but not OSHA's part of it; that's the police, the district attorney, and the civil court's part of it.
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Trouble is, it was probably all about the money - as in shutting down businesses for a month or so during the demolition of the areas closest to the businesses - that drove the decision. But, what do I know?
Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
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OSHA is supposed to prevent the bad stuff happening in the first place.
Their record is an embarrassment. What a pitiful excuse for a Federal agency.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
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This could have all been avoided. So sad.
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http://cbsphilly.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/marke...