close proximity?
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Was this term coined by the department of redundancy department?
I cringe every time I see, "Close proximity." I mean it's like saying, "Close closeness!"
End of rant!
f-d
(next week, we can discuss, "More perfect," which has a lot of traction from our U.S. history, eh?)
I cringe every time I see, "Close proximity." I mean it's like saying, "Close closeness!"
End of rant!
f-d
(next week, we can discuss, "More perfect," which has a lot of traction from our U.S. history, eh?)
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Benta.
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Its use evokes a writer or speaker who is trying to appear more scholarly than he or she actually is. When I hear it in a presentation, I assume that it is part of a strategy to cover up a flaw in the speaker's basic premise.
I put that phrase in the same category as the business buzzwords. If I here one more executive spiel like the one below, I will barf on the conference table.
"We must focus on building a framework that will allow us to get our arms around the 50,000-foot view of our core capabilities. This will necessitate the utilization of best practices and buy-in from the stakeholders. We have to go after the low-hanging fruit and re-structure functions to accommodate growth. A bias for action is key to our growth, so make it happen. By the way, we need to spend more on SEO, SEF, and executive bonuses. Take the money from the payroll spend and right-size the headcount to keep the EBITDA intact. RIF about 25."
He could have simply stated, "Let's try to do better so we can grow some more. Until we start growing more, let's make our web site better and lay off some of the drones so my bonus will be bigger."
I also deduct major points for speaking, writing, or typing the word "utilize." In general, I stop reading at the first instance of that horrible word, and I make sure the author knows about it.
Thanks all, I needed to get that out today.
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"Quantity over quality, create metrics and force a short term productivity increase so we can pat ourselves on the back and up the management bonuses. Pretend we are not aware that this will reduce quality, and then to solve the quality problems we can fire people for making mistakes. It is just that simple!"
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It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. (Sherlock Holmes - A Scandal in Bohemia.)
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While I agree the use of "close proximity" can be rather pretentious, I don't see how it is redundant.
Isn't there some assumed difference between someone who is "in the proximity of" and "in close proximity to?"
For example: "My house is in the proximity of the fire. The firefighters are in close proximity to the fire." If I read this, I assume that the firefighters are closer to the fire than my house.
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To me "in the proximity of" is the same as "in the general vicinity of," but "in close proximity to" is the same as "near."
I'm sure I've got this wrong, so please edjumacate me.
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I wonder what the alternative to preplanning is, postplanning?
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not too close, sort of close, close, really close, super close.
In what way could you use the words "close" and "proximal" (proximity) to add to these intents?
I just don't see it. If you want to say, "It's just not too close," or "It's really close" I'd think there'd be a better way to acheive the goal.
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http://grammar.about.com/od/words/a/redundancies.h...
I previously made a duplicate copy of the As and have since put them in place down below. They will give to you a good and proper visual illustration that you can see with your eyes. I strongly urge all to read it to its final conclusion, pick and choose your top favorite, and reply back so that we all can jointly participate in your scholarly education.
I am regretfully sorry for the sloppy mess I made of this written composition. I did it in the past; it was 3:00 AM in the morning, and my mind was vascillating back and forth in between sharp clarity and blurry haziness.
•(absolutely) essential
•(absolutely) necessary
•(actual) facts
•advance (forward)
•(advance) planning
•(advance) preview
•(advance) reservations
•(advance) warning
•add (an additional)
•add (up)
•(added) bonus
•(affirmative) yes
•(aid and) abet
•(all-time) record
•alternative (choice)
•A.M. (in the morning)
•(and) etc.
•(anonymous) stranger
•(annual) anniversary
•(armed) gunman
•(artificial) prosthesis
•ascend (up)
•ask (the question)
•assemble (together)
•attach (together)
•ATM (machine)
•autobiography (of his or her own life)
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Good food for thought. I'm bookmarking the site and will use it frequently.
Here's one I can't figure out on the list: "(small) baby"
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12:00 can be neither before or after noon, it IS noon.
12:00 is either noon or midnight, not am or pm.
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Software packages and web sites, though, give me anxiety. Example: I don't like my registry scanner to run during the workday. When I set it to run at midnight, do I type in 12:00 PM or 12:00 AM? Those are the only choices! So I cop out and put 12:01 AM or 11:59 PM.
Why can't they have a place to enter midnight or noon when someone types 12:00? Why can't they accept military time? 1200 and 2400 would be OK.
Argh!
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Some are redundancies, but some are simply using a legitimate part of speech known as an "intensifier".
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From the wikiworld:
a.m. Ante Meridiem
Latin = "before midday"
before noon
p.m. Post Meridiem
Post Meridian
Latin = "after midday"
after noon
* Terms 12 a.m. and 12 p.m. cause confusion and should not be used as neither the "12 am" nor the "12 pm" designation is technically correct.
It advisable to use 12 noon and 12 midnight where clarity is required.
To avoid ambiguity, airlines, railroads, and insurance companies use 12:01am for an event beginning the day, 11:59pm for ending it.
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Wikiworld needs a better editor, I guess. . .
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- Steve
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Which one is correct (space and caps)?
1. 3:00 PM
2. 3:00PM
3. 3:00pm
4. 3:00 pm
I've probably typed all of these at one time or another.
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12:00am would normally be interpreted as mid-day, and 12:00pm mid-night, ie the am clock starts at 00:00 ... 00:01am is 1 minute past mid-night, just as 00:01pm is 1 minute past mid-day. if 11:59am is 1 minute before mid-day then 12:00am is mid-day (or 00:00pm).
to me "close proximity" sounds ok, being closer than "in the proximity of" ... "distant proximity" doesn't sound right ("far from" sounds clearer)
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no, just incorrect.
"knowledgeable expert"
as opposed to an ignorant expert?
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Great post, Dave!
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Thanks for sensitizing me to this silliness!
benta (Electrical)
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