two centrifugal compressors in parallel
two centrifugal compressors in parallel
(OP)
two process API centrifugal compressors in parallel sharing load equally there is a need for compressor 1 to run at lower flow and head how will the operating combined head capacity curve change, or will this have a detrimental effect on compressor 1 being pushed back by 2?
can controls be set up to let this scenario happen, or is it not possible?
would it matter if 1 was turbine drive and 2 motor drive, or vice versa?
thank you
can controls be set up to let this scenario happen, or is it not possible?
would it matter if 1 was turbine drive and 2 motor drive, or vice versa?
thank you





RE: two centrifugal compressors in parallel
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RE: two centrifugal compressors in parallel
A fundamental principle for rotating machinery is that the operating point is at the intersection of system curve (i.e. resistance) & the machine curve(i.e. pump or compressor) keep this in mind when inspecting or analyzing rotating machinery performance/operation.
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RE: two centrifugal compressors in parallel
Centrifugal compressors are constant pressure, variable flow machines. The inlet valves will be modulated to maintain constant pressure in the event of drop in capacity.
For multiple installations, if the capacity reduces, then the control valves (either inlet or BOV) will be controlled to maintain the pressure. The drivers usually will not influence the compressors for capacity changes.
Every compressor manufacturer will have control systems designed for multiple installations. Load sharing is much simplified if you use these programs (modules). The programs are so efficient that they can shut-off compressors depending upon the consumption of air.
RE: two centrifugal compressors in parallel
"centrifugal compressors are constant pressure, variable flow machi
nes" is simply not true. you should clarify.
-pmover
RE: two centrifugal compressors in parallel
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RE: two centrifugal compressors in parallel
back to OP question, the variable speed unit "could" be operated at lower flow, same head condition, but likely at lower speed. but this mode of operation needs careful analysis of compressor curves to ensure the proposed mode of operation is possible. keep in mind that operating at conditions described, the var-speed unit is operating closer to surge control.
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RE: two centrifugal compressors in parallel
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RE: two centrifugal compressors in parallel
At design point (maybe I should have stated this in my first post) centrifugal compressors operate at constant pressure & variable volume. When VSD’s are used, they vary the speed, but still deliver the design pressure. In VSD compressors, CV’s are generally not used as the motor can control the capacity. In some cases where capacity modulation is needed below 65% of the rated capacity, then CV & VSD can be used together. As you have rightly mentioned in your second post, “the variable speed unit "could" be operated at lower flow, same head condition”.
As seen in the performance curves of centrifugals, above the design point, when flow reduces, the pressure increases and the machines will surge, in such cases the CV’s are modulated to stabilize the compressor.
RE: two centrifugal compressors in parallel
set one machine with a pressure set point approximately 5psig higher than the other machine. the unit with the higher set point will eventually be running full out, trying to reach the higher pressure set point. the other machine will be throttling trying to keep the pressure at the lower pressure point (which is the pressure you desire the system to run at).
this set up works fine if it is known that the demand for flow is less than both compressors running full out, but more than one running full out and the other throttled down below the surge line.
if the demand drops further, the lower set point compressor will start to run with recycle in operation which is not efficient. at which point, you will want a system balancing control that the OEM or other companies can provide.
RE: two centrifugal compressors in parallel
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"centrifugal compressors are constant pressure, variable flow machines"
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As already mentioned, this is not correct.If you are on production you would maintain a given constant pressure against huge variation of suction pressure, MW, and flow whatsoever. In a downstream environment, the discharge pressure can be floating (e.g refineries process) whereas in this case the suction conditions are well known. That really depend on the application.
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In VSD compressors, CV’s are generally not used as the motor can control the capacity. In some cases where capacity modulation is needed below 65% of the rated capacity, then CV & VSD can be used together. As you have rightly mentioned in your second post, “the variable speed unit "could" be operated at lower flow, same head condition”.
As seen in the performance curves of centrifugals, above the design point, when flow reduces, the pressure increases and the machines will surge, in such cases the CV’s are modulated to stabilize the compressor.
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Control valve are there anyway, at least for anti-surge protection, and quite commonly are used nowadays for continuous recycle except where special considerations apply (heavy duty recycle, etc) imposing some further checks or whereas an operator does not want recycle and anti-surge protection done by the same valve. On some situations you would omit completely without the control valve (hydrogen recycle service is an example). So it is not only a matter of VSD or not VSD.
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There is an algorithm for load sharing patented by CCC which is often adopted as standard compressor manufacturers.
some further doc maybe here:
http://www.cccglobal.com/sites/default/files/docum...
Hope that help
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