How ro protect operating rooms from fire??
How ro protect operating rooms from fire??
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Greetings,
I am working on a hospital project. I got a recommendation from a specialist to use clean agent fire extinguisher in operating room. I want to know what are the automatic protection systems I can use in operating rooms as per NFPA or other codes.
I am working on a hospital project. I got a recommendation from a specialist to use clean agent fire extinguisher in operating room. I want to know what are the automatic protection systems I can use in operating rooms as per NFPA or other codes.





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Who is the specialist, someone connected with extinguishing systems or hospitals ??
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Clean agents are not appropriate for a surgery suite. All of the selected agents must be evaluated for Lowest Observed Adverse Effect Level (LOAEL). LOAEL testing never considers humans undergoing invasive surgery. Your proposing to use an agent in an environment that introduces several hazards to the patient and the surgeon. Second is that the discharge from a clean agent must be accomplished in less than 30 seconds - it is an extremely loud and violent process. Third, many clean agents displace oxygen and require a pre-discharge alarm. Would you want to displace oxygen in a surgery suite if your child was undergoing invasive surgery?
Seek professional assistance from a competent fire protection engineer.
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Oh boy another new term
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But most equipments in operating rooms are conductor to electricity, is it safe to use water base fire fighting equipments in such environment. Is it ok to only use class C fire extinguisher.
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Maybe just a little hard to move the patient if a clean agent dumps
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I'll install both Portable CO2 fire extinguisher and automatic FM200 system with two shutoff valves (one automatic and another manual). In case there is operation running, the FM200 will be shutoff and will depend on CO2 fire extinguisher if fire occurs. If there is no operation the FM200 valves will be opened. In this case the room will be protected with automatic system without endangering the patient and others from the gas.
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Are you in the US or outside of the US???
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The proposed design is a violation of NFPA 101 and NFPA 2001.
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Motorized fire dampers at all air openings and fire rated doors.
I found this article and I think it is helpful to understand what is going on in OR.
http://www.mdsr.ecri.org/summary/detail.aspx?doc_i...
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http://amerex-fire.com/products/hand-portables/wat...
click on the items in the blue box to the left for more information specific to medical fire protection
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When an operation takes place, you have a dozen people in that room that can turn out a fire with FE's. If the room is not occupied, sprinklers are just fine.
The middle east is subject to all sorts of life safety philosophies, British, Australian, US, etc.
They still design fire hose cabinets with 1 1/2" hoses expdecting the user to turn out the fire. They also have smoke exhaust for operating rooms and fire rated ducts (but the medical gases and power not in fire rated enclosures) with 2-hour rated walls in operating rooms.
The truth is, the average engineer in the middle east is about 32 years old (you can check HAAD statistics for expats in the UAE)with about 4 years of experience (two of those being Autocad), and does not have a clue, and he is scared as hell. He is also a mechanical engineer (not a fire protection engineer). And you get some of the weirdest life safety designs around.
They deisgn with FEAR in mind.
Matter of fact, most companies don't even have code books or masterspecs. Most companies have one MEP guy, a Mr. know-it-all of sort who bakes his own bread (does his own CAD). Their drawings don't even have equipment capacities, they don't size a fan, a pump or anything.
And man, do they play like they are big shots.
Mr. mabed, tell me if I am wrong - suggestion, if you use NFPA, fllow th advice of US pratitioners such as the advice you just got here. Most of the guys on this forum are actually fire protection engineers.
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