supporting near PSVs
supporting near PSVs
(OP)
Dear friends,
Open discharge PSV needs special supporting for withstanding forces due to fluid relieving. Does close discharge PSV need supports for withstanding this force(unbalanced force)? Is this force negligible in the close discharge PSV?
Open discharge PSV needs special supporting for withstanding forces due to fluid relieving. Does close discharge PSV need supports for withstanding this force(unbalanced force)? Is this force negligible in the close discharge PSV?





RE: supporting near PSVs
When the PSV is closed the support must hold the dead weight plus any other simultaneously acting loads.
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RE: supporting near PSVs
Are not "any other simultaneously acting loads" relieving loads?
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"People will work for you with blood and sweat and tears if they work for what they believe in......" - Simon Sinek
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Closed system PSV's have a very short term out of balance force which can be calculated in accordance with API RP 520. Once flow is established all fluid forces are usually balanced. That said, the initial kick reaction should never be ignored.
RE: supporting near PSVs
"People will work for you with blood and sweat and tears if they work for what they believe in......" - Simon Sinek
RE: supporting near PSVs
A litle hint of sarcasm there ?
My statement assumes that the simplest arrangement exists .... PSV outlet is horizontal, outlet pipe is vertical and open ended. Thus the out of balance is in the vertical direction and acts at the elbow due to eflux thrust.
Clear now I hope.
RE: supporting near PSVs
"People will work for you with blood and sweat and tears if they work for what they believe in......" - Simon Sinek
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"Other than the normal consideration for designing pipe, there are no specific guideline for the design of closed systems".
I think it means in closed discharge systems we don't need supports for withstanding pressure thrust due to valve opening. Please introduce any reference against this statement If any.
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Quote from API RP 520 pt 2:
Section 5.5
The reaction forces and stresses that originate in the downstream piping as a result of the release of a pressure-relief device are typically not signifcant once flow is established and has reached steady state conditions, due to small changes in pressure and velocity within the closed system components.
However, large forces may result if there are sudden pipe expansions within the system or as a result of unsteady flow conditions during the initial activation of the relief device.
Additionally, large reaction forces can be created at elbows as a result of two-phase fluid flow in the slug flow regime.
Ignore this at your peril.
RE: supporting near PSVs
"People will work for you with blood and sweat and tears if they work for what they believe in......" - Simon Sinek
RE: supporting near PSVs
Agree with you entirely. However unfortunately there are many people out there (Stress Engineers included) whom beleive that when an RV discharges into a closed system (such as an RV discharging into a flare header) that the only force to consider is the force at the RV inself under the initial lift. They do not consider "transient" loads through the system at bends or tees!!!! Big mistake!!!! But this is the norm from my experiences.
RE: supporting near PSVs