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krie (Geotechnical)
12 Aug 12 14:59
hi could anybody advise me as to how i would detect and recognize a golf ball, i am doing an autonomous golf ball collecting project, thanks
KiwiMace (Mechanical)
12 Aug 12 15:12
I always recognise my golf balls as being the wet or sandy ones within a 50ft range of where I was standing when they went missing.
krie (Geotechnical)
12 Aug 12 15:14
ah come on kiwi
DRWeig (Electrical)
12 Aug 12 15:26
Don't get on Kiwi, this question gives rise to lots of fun answers. I'm sure we'll see more. spin2

In seriousness, what is the venue in which the golf balls will be sought? Grassy field? Concrete floor? Forest? Under water? Under dirty water? Buried in sand? Under the sofa? Flying through the air? On a production line?

Let us know some more about the conditions. Perhaps some good ideas will come back.

Good on ya,

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ScottyUK (Electrical)
12 Aug 12 15:28
The obvious choice seems to be some kind of RFID tag. The technology has become relatively cheap in recent years. For a golfball application, given the high accelerations which it is subjected to, you might be into military-grade hardware which puts the price up an order of magnitude. Plenty stuff on Google to get started with. wink
VE1BLL (Military)
12 Aug 12 16:37
The RFID tag should obviously also incorporate an embedded differential GPS to provide cm accurate location. winky smile

Is this for school? Picking up golf balls (for example at a driving range) is a solved problem.

MadMango (Mechanical)
12 Aug 12 16:53
Vision system? White contrasts nicely on green grass.

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jraef (Electrical)
12 Aug 12 17:48
Recognize it in what context? On the grass? Amongst a basket of eggs or in a bucket of coal? One golf ball vs another golf ball? A golf ball left behind on the surface of the moon? Give us a little more to work with here.

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LiteYear (Computer)
13 Aug 12 2:35
Crack it open. If there's a small alligator inside, it wasn't a golf ball.
IRstuff (Aerospace)
13 Aug 12 2:40
Is this for school?

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dik (Structural)
14 Aug 12 9:23
Can you sort for sphericity and use a 'go' and 'no go' hole in a small conveyor system?

Dik
IRstuff (Aerospace)
14 Aug 12 10:28
"White contrasts nicely on green grass"

Only when Tiger doesn't hit them into the weeds...

RFID is the more ideal approach, even though it makes them more expensive.

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MiketheEngineer (Structural)
14 Aug 12 10:48
Use a radioactive pink paint and track on that. Just don't get too close to them
VE1BLL (Military)
14 Aug 12 13:55
RFID .NE. RF localization

...as far as I know. Otherwise someone would have made this work for all those many indoor short range localization project questions that infest these forums.

Obviously, in the extreme case, one could reduce the sensitivity of the RFID system to 1cm, and then if you get a ping then, "Hey! found one!"
DRWeig (Electrical)
15 Aug 12 8:06
Well, RFID is certainly a good solution if properly engineered...

However, if you want to locate unmodified golf balls made by the big manufacturers, you are back to a video or perhaps ultrasonic solution of some sort. Challenging!

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VE1BLL (Military)
15 Aug 12 11:14
"RFID" "RFID" "RFID" ...sigh... winky smile

Passive RFID tags extract power from the interrogating signal. Therefore their range is relatively limited. So, upon detection, they're right there, within a few feet of the interrogator. I doubt anyone would bother trying to extract cm-accurate location from a passive RFID tag. It's theoretically possible, but impractical.

Active (battery powered) RFID tags (being a transceiver) could be location tracked over arbitrary distances using the obvious time-of-flight and phase tracking techniques. This sort of semi-obvious technology does not yet appear to have been commercialized. Many academic articles, very few actual systems.

In any case, it's a solved problem in the most-likely application:

ScottyUK (Electrical)
15 Aug 12 11:28
VE1,

Embed a detection grid within the ground. Nothing in the rules seems to preclude this. wink
KllrWolf (Electrical)
15 Aug 12 15:34
I do not think color would be a good option, as golf balls come in many colors. I have played rounds with people that insist on not using white balls so they can visually tell them apart without having to deal with who shot which brand and number on the ball. I have even seen green balls used.
IRstuff (Aerospace)
15 Aug 12 15:48
I've seen people spend a fair bit of time hunting for balls in the tall weeds, so something like this: http://www.iautomate.com/products/wavetrend-l-rx20... is probably a bit of a time saver.

Overall, it's unclear whether devoting this much horsepower to finding golf balls is economically practical

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jraef (Electrical)
16 Aug 12 13:04
Still no response form the OP on what he means by "detection", so I suppose he either was scared off or solved his problem...

Re: ball color:
I played a few rounds with my virgin (at the time) girlfriend way back when, my balls were blue...

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VE1BLL (Military)
16 Aug 12 14:24
T.M.I.
jraef (Electrical)
16 Aug 12 18:58
IRStuff,
That reader, although impressive, is still dependent upon the tags being battery powered. Their smallest tag, one that goes on a key fob, is still bigger than most golf balls.

Quote (Wavetrend)

The KeyFOB Active Tags are powered by an internal battery. The Tag will, for the duration of its life, transmit a Radio Frequency (RF) signal at a pre-set time-interval. The Tag life is estimated at 3-5 years at a transmission time interval of approximately 10-12.5 seconds, or four bursts when the integral button is pressed. The lifespan of the Tag ends when the battery life is exhausted. Battery status can be inferred by interrogating the internal Tag Age Counter Value. Powered by Wavetrend.

Even if you could rework it to fit inside of a golf ball, it sells for $40 so the hue and cry at every water hazard would be deafening.



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ScottyUK (Electrical)
17 Aug 12 6:26
Oh crap, is cost a consideration? The OP didn't seem too bothered...
VE1BLL (Military)
17 Aug 12 9:40
Let's review some other derived requirements for the concept of embedding RFID tags (or similar) into golf balls.

* Up to 50,000g (?) acceleration
* Up to 10,800 rpm backspin
* Compression intruding into internal volume



All do-able, but the concept is impractical for the reasons previously posted.

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