Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
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Say I want a Chinese supplier to invoke ASME Y14.5 2009 in their prints. The only thing I'm sure is the supplier needs to buy the standard, but what else they should do? Any restriction, legal issue, export control?





RE: Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
Matt Lorono, CSWP
Product Definition Specialist, DS SolidWorks Corp
Personal sites:
Lorono's SolidWorks Resources & SolidWorks Legion
RE: Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
Complement Y14.5 with Y14.5.1 – they like mathematics.
Don’t forget B.4 for limits and fits, B46 and Y14.36 for surface texture.
You will need Y14.34 before using Y14.35; Y14.2 is as important as Y14.3 or 4.
Consider Y14.8 if your parts involve casting/forging, Y14.6 if they will have threads, Y14.13 if your design involves springs, and B17 if it will use keys.
RE: Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
RE: Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
What is Engineering anyway: FAQ1088-1484: In layman terms, what is "engineering"?
RE: Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
You are absolutely correct about competency of the relevant ASME. Where are they to be trained to the 2009 standard? Remember that the 2009 standard is more complex than the 94 and so many people don't under the 94 standard. Sticking it on the drawing without intensive training does not help anyone.
Dave D.
www.qmsi.ca
RE: Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
Have this supplier ever worked to any GD&T standard, ASME or ISO?
Apologies for that question, but if not, do they speak and understand English in a way they could properly understand ASME standards at all?
RE: Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
I would suggest asking them to avoid using GD&T frames until they can show that they understand datums and symbology of GD&T.
Matt Lorono, CSWP
Product Definition Specialist, DS SolidWorks Corp
Personal sites:
Lorono's SolidWorks Resources & SolidWorks Legion
RE: Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
RE: Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
Even if they're really good with their local ISO based standard, that doesn't automatically mean they're up to speed on ASME standards.
Plus let's be honest, how many people anywhere are really up to speed on the standards?
What is Engineering anyway: FAQ1088-1484: In layman terms, what is "engineering"?
RE: Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
I think a print review or tech review is needed at very beginning of the project for sure. In terms of technicals, this is not a special case because we do the same with American or European suppliers. And from the response so far, there looks no political risk. Thanks.
RE: Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
Matt Lorono, CSWP
Product Definition Specialist, DS SolidWorks Corp
Personal sites:
Lorono's SolidWorks Resources & SolidWorks Legion
RE: Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
RE: Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
Matt Lorono, CSWP
Product Definition Specialist, DS SolidWorks Corp
Personal sites:
Lorono's SolidWorks Resources & SolidWorks Legion
RE: Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
Matt,
Be careful with that. Have you had a chance to see the newest editions of some important ISO GPS standards like 1101:2012, 5459:2011, 8015:2011. 14405:2010? If not, prepare for what you will see, otherwise you may be really shocked.
If the vendor had any chance to work with those standards (what could happen if Chinese national standards are based on ISO), the confusion may be bigger than anyone expects.
P.S.: I do not think we want to re-start a debate on differences between ISO & ASME approach to position/concentricity/symmetry.
RE: Any limitation to invoke ASME Y14.5 in the prints
Matt Lorono, CSWP
Product Definition Specialist, DS SolidWorks Corp
Personal sites:
Lorono's SolidWorks Resources & SolidWorks Legion