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Home > Forums > Trends and Strategies > Keeping Ahead of the Curve > Where is Engineering Going In The Next 5 Years Forum

Motiva refinery expansion could be idled for a year-sources

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lacajun (Electrical)

7 Jul 12 22:43

Motiva Refinery Could Be Idled Up to Year

Oops!

Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC

MiketheEngineer (Structural)

9 Jul 12 14:01

Might be good for us - we do a lot contact work there?? One man's trash another man's treasure!!

JohnRBaker (Mechanical)

9 Jul 12 17:22

Perhaps... However, it may also be contributing to the recent spike-up in crude prices which had been dropping since May but on June 28 it started to climb back up (when site below opens, change the chart setting to 1 Month or 1 Year to see the point that I'm making):

http://quotes.post1.org/historical-crude-oil-price...

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GregLocock (Automotive)

9 Jul 12 20:24

I had assumed this would impinge on the price of crude, but it is odd, since the supply of crude is unaffected!

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ScottyUK (Electrical)

10 Jul 12 15:17

Doing rather better than Coryton in England... bled dry by debt-ridden Petroplus, then closed.

Compositepro (Chemical)

10 Jul 12 17:33

This event would, if anything, lower the price of crude and increase the price of refined products.

MJCronin (Mechanical)

3 Aug 12 10:31

Since the accident, has there been any recent detailed report on the extent of damage ?

Has there been any type of "lessons learned" issued by anyone ?

lacajun (Electrical)

9 Aug 12 10:13

I didn't see anything at the chemical safety board.

Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC

stanweld (Materials)

10 Aug 12 12:06

The initial scuttlebutt indicated inadvertant additions of caustic to the feed stream. If so, it's not a pretty picture when one considers the amount Cr-Mo low alloy steels used in a Crude Unit. unit.

rb1957 (Aerospace)

10 Aug 12 16:44

yes, but who the heck went looking for corrosion when the fire damage was miminal ?

StarmanTedKnight (Electrical)

13 Aug 12 10:55

I talked with a chemical engineer that was involved with putting some compresssors in this expansion. I am not a Chem.E but from what I understood from what he told me was that the fires were the result of the corrosion. The process had some chemical that when it reacts with air, it starts on fire. Through operator error and/or bad design (a lack of block valves ect) the piping was allowed to corrode more than it should have.

TomDOT (Materials)

13 Aug 12 11:17

Well, yes, if we have a corrosion caused failure 9 days after commissioning on a plant expansion which should last decades - I have to agree that it was "allowed to corrode more than it should have"

By 3 orders of magnitude.

That's a pretty gross error.

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