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Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor
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Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

(OP)
Along the lines of a previous post - Do engineers have a sense a humor (I know some do) or if so - is it quite different than the average Joe??

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

From my circle of engineer friends (me included), we seem to appreciate irony more than most other groups... [clown]

Good on ya,

Goober Dave

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RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

And puns. clown

Good on ya,

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RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

We are all drawn to Dibert like its a black hole!

Good luck,
Latexman

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

Latexman (Chemical)
You find Dilbert funny ?
I thought he was real life bigsmile
B.E.

The good engineer does not need to memorize every formula; he just needs to know where he can find them when he needs them. Old professor

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

I think it should be obvious from reading the various threads that engineers definitely have a sense of humor. Weird? Well that depends...

Agree about irony, puns and Dilbert. On the other hand I don't find, for example, movies based mostly around f@rt jokes especially funny, as many of my non-engineer friends seem to.

Weird? Says who?

Regards,

Mike

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

Engineers have an esoteric sense of humour.

Esoteric in that nobody else understands it.

Sort of like...sitting in a project scoping meeting in a conference room a few weeks ago.

Manager (MBA): "I don't know if we should take on this work. We have never designed a railroad loading terminal.".
Engineer (P.Eng.): "Don't worry, it can be trained.".

No response.

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

We are human too. Some have a sense of humor, some don't.
But, a lot of us are weird. wink

Chris
SolidWorks 11
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RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

But 'Dilbert' IS real...

Check out Scott Adams' life story if you don't believe that 'Dilbert' isn't real. Scott Adams was the keynote speaker at a conference I attended a few years ago and his life story is very interesting, particularly when it comes to how close he came to NOT being a cartoonist.

Being in software development, this is my all time favorite (and I've sat across the table from people who have made virtually this exact request):



This one comes in a close second:

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In the aerospace world, many projects/programs seem to have significant milestones that seem to fall on holidays such as Christmas break, Thanksgiving, Labor & Memorial Day.

This results in those projects/programs being called "Holiday seeking missile"

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

No. The rest of the world just needs to understand that without us, they could not function, so our sense of humor prevails....that would make their sense of humor "weird"

Our sense of humor might be categorized as sardonic, sarcastic, ironic and even pun oriented, but we are not sophomoric.....well, most of the time.

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

I've found a number of engineers who also get into the humor of Wierd Al Yankovic. Maybe that's because many engineers are viewed as nerds. We can't keep up with the latest pop-culture rap song unless we hear it sung as a polka. Well - at least I don't own a Sedgway, so maybe I'm not quite 'White and Nerdy'.

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Racing Segways through a bike shop is great fun!

I find the humor of engineers to be more clever and intellectual than most others. That's nice!

Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

I'm with Ron. It's them that's strange, not us, no matter how many of them or how few of us.

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RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

I thought Dilbert was some guy lurking around all our cubes and meetings taking notes.

rmw

PS: all kidding aside, I have long since wondered how Scott Adams has managed to stay so fresh and current with his material in that he left Pacific Bell eons ago and to my knowledge hasn't worked in the corporate world since.

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

rmw, I read his fans give him plenty of material through their complaints.

Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

But the corporate world has been pretty much the same since history was recorded. Technologies, nomenclature and cultures change, but human nature and politics is constant.

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Exposure to the idiocy of management is one of the most common engineering experiences, and Scott Adams will never run out of material as a result. It's also why his comic strip is so popular - we can all relate to it on some level. And in certain cases it is exactly what we have experienced ourselves, which makes it funny and disturbing all at once.

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RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

There's too much variation in humor between cultures to try and generalize too much with regard to specific professions.

In both the UK and US I've known some funny engineers and some pretty dull ones. I'm afraid I have to say on average the UK guys had (to my tastes perhaps biased being a Brit originally) a better sense of humor. Honestly, based on this site while there are folks from all kinds of backgrounds that are pretty humorous, I'd say the commonwealth folk have an edge over the US folk on average - though there are some glaring exceptions.

For what it's worth my wife and many of her friends & colleagues have a pretty low opinion of the (US) Engineers they've encountered (both on this and other traits) and my wife often gets told I'm 'not like other engineers'.

Honestly though, the fact that thread730-320845: Just How Smarter Engineers Are Than Everyone Else has over 100 posts says something about our humor.

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I've found a number of engineers who also get into the humor of Wierd Al Yankovic. Maybe that's because many engineers are viewed as nerds. We can't keep up with the latest pop-culture rap song unless we hear it sung as a polka. Well - at least I don't own a Sedgway, so maybe I'm not quite 'White and Nerdy'.

Didn't Weird Al attend Cal Poly SLO (engineering school) back in the 80s?

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

We like us!

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

The engineers I've met in other countries seem to fall into the same molds as US engineers. They were competent, friendly, and intelligent, with a splash of humor.

Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

Engineers need to be careful to whom they expose their humour.
I learned long ago that management have absolutely no sense of humour. They are highly suspicious of anyone who exhibits a sense of humour.
Management expect most employees to go around looking as close to committed dedicated serious workers as possible. Smiling and laughing don't fit that image.
I guess also that happy laughing employees means they are doing something wrong and, of course, they have an often justified suspicion that they are the targets of humour. Either way they then find new ways to make the employees miserable.
Of course, in my case I posted a few cartoons which were not that well received.

JMW
www.ViscoAnalyser.com

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

Haha...rterickson...Weird Al sure did. Him and John Madden...man I miss that place sometimes...

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

Weird Al has a degree in architecture.

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

I am not much of a Dilbert fan. Seems like Gilligan's Island of the business world, where the same cast of characters do little to change their lot. Needs more transition.

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

I really looked forward to the Dilbert TV show, but I stopped watching it after just a few episodes.

It's too black, and/because it's too real.

Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

If you have an account on Facebook, check out 'Don't worry, I'm an Engineer'. I think you can find your your answer there.

Tobalcane
"If you avoid failure, you also avoid success."
“Luck is where preparation meets opportunity”

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

mad I read thru this thread hoping for a goldmine of engineering jokes. I count two and a couple Dilbert comics.

I'm an ME, but I love programming/hacker humor. I think it's the purest form of what most engineers would call "engineer humor," equal parts cerebral and inane. (For more examples than you can shake a stick at, just read through the Jargon File.)

"The primary purpose of the DATA statement is to give names to constants; instead of referring to pi as 3.141592653589793 at every appearance, the variable PI can be given that value with a DATA statement and used instead of the longer form of the constant. This also simplifies modifying the program, should the value of pi change."
- FORTRAN manual for Xerox computers

"Engineers like to solve problems. If there are no problems handily available, they will create their own problems." -Scott Adams

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

Well here is a couple I've run into. I have a collection of these. Thanks EngineerErrant, I'm adding your contribution to my collection!

Bruhn, C9.6
"In using Equation C9.5, the value of Rp is negative as inward pressure is opposite to the inward acting outward pressure."

Mil-Spec for HY80 Steel
"2.1.1 Specification and standards. The following specification and standards form a part of this specification to the extent specified herein. Unless otherwise specified, the issues of these documents shall be those listed in the issue of the DOD index of Specification and Standards (DoDISS) and supplement thereto, cited in the solicitation."

How about a flag note on a drawing:
Torque to range of 100-150 inch pounds. Torque is treated as a non-drawing requirment for purpose of inspection only.

I hope I didn't stray to far from the OP. I do laugh when I read thru my collection. But alas, I do have a weird sense of humor.

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

In the interests of those who checked this thread hoping for a gold mine of funny stuff I have attached a funny document I always enjoyed reading, even thought it is not engineering related. Some of you may have already seen it, but I hope some of you find it worth a grin when you read it.

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

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So a priest, a surgeon and an engineer are playing golf. The foursome ahead is unbelivably slow, and one of the threesome asks the caddy, "What's the hold up, up ahead, those guys are taking forever."

Caddy says, "That is a group of local firefighters. A few years ago a fire broke out in the clubhouse while they were playing. With no proper gear they ran to the clubhouse, got people out and fought the fire till the firetrucks got here. Unfortunatley they all lost their sight. We let them play free whenever they want."

The priest says, "What a moving story. I and my entire congregation are going to pray for them, that a miracle will occur."

The surgeon says, "True heroes. I am going to consult with the opthalmologists that I know, maybe their sight can be restored."

The engineer says, "Why can't these guys play at night?"

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An engineer, a doctor and a lawyer are arguing about whose profession has existed the longest in human history. They agree to use the Bible as their most accurate historical record to resolve the dispute. The doctor says, “God took a rib from Adam and created Eve. This is surgery and thus my profession is the oldest.” The engineer says, “If you back up further in the first chapter of Genesis, you will see that out of the chaos God created the heavens and the earth. That is a feat of engineering and thus my profession is the oldest.” Both turned to the lawyer to see what he would say. He won the argument by asking, “Who do you think created all the chaos?”

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I always get a chuckle out of:

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Although I suspect that this was 'humor' foisted on us by lawyers banghead

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RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

Or check out the "Trust Me, I'm an Engineer" page/posts on FB as well :P

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

I always liked this one:

What is Pi?

Well, if you ask a mathmetician, they will tell you it is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter.
If you ask a scientist, they will tell you it is 3.141592andtellmewhentostop.
If you ask an engineer, they will tell you it is 3.14159, but let's call it 4 to be safe.
If you ask sales, they will tell you it is 3.14159, but we have it marked down to three this week, and I can get you a deal on volume for 2 and a half!

Regards,

Matt

Quality, quantity, cost. Pick two.

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

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If you ask a scientist, they will tell you it is 3.141592andtellmewhentostop.

Be careful with that one or you'll likely to find yourself in the same boat as the characters in Carl Sagan's 'Contact' (the book NOT the movie).

John R. Baker, P.E.
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I know a person that keeps telling me that engineers have no sense of humor. I disagreed to no avail.

Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC

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Don't bother disagreeing, just set him up for a joke on him.

Regards
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RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

Here's some typically "weird" humor that I find quite funny.

What's the difference between an orange?
One of them doesn't.
_________________________________________

"Knock knock."
"Who's there?"
"Two."
"Two who?"
*shakes head* "To WHOM."
_________________________________________

What's red and looks like green paint?
Red paint.
_________________________________________

What's an anagram of Banach-Tarski?
Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski.

"Engineers like to solve problems. If there are no problems handily available, they will create their own problems." -Scott Adams

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

This one engineer that I worked with would tell a long joke real slow and when he got to the punch line he would leave out the last half of the last sentance and burst out laughing.

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

""This one engineer that I worked with would tell a long joke real slow and when he got to the punch line he would leave out the last half of the last sentance and burst out laughing.""
Is that why they call it a punch line, because at that point you feel like punching him?
B.E.

The good engineer does not need to memorize every formula; he just needs to know where he can find them when he needs them. Old professor

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

He obviously had a sense of humor, but properly telling a joke is a skill not everyone has.

Hey I'm not kidding:)

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

I'm horrible at telling jokes. I end up like supercub's acquaintance.
Sarcasm is another matter.

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@JohnRBaker

Re: The PI thing in "Contact". I thought that was one of the cleverest sub-plots in the book and was really miffed when it didn't make the film.

- Steve

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

Firesign Theater had very good humor for engineers, especially with their laws of physics, levity and thermodynamics. Thud's First Law is very practical: If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

I like the 'quote' (I think it was by me) which is related to one of my previously posted Dilbert cartoons:

"No matter how much you add to something, you can't make it simpler."

It's amazing how this concept is often missed by upper-management...

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"Firesign Theater had very good humor for engineers, especially with their laws of physics, levity and thermodynamics. Thud's First Law is very practical: If you push something hard enough, it will fall over."

My favorite:

INDIAN: That's not a well. It's the Eye of the Holy Serpent Mound, on which your standing.
WAGON BOSS: It's a butte!
INDIAN: No, it's a mound.

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

Good humor for management, as well, starting from "Everything You Know Is Wrong".

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

One of our favorites around here occurs quite often. When someone from production wants something, if their description starts with "All you gotta do is...", you know you're in trouble. Run!

Or the classic - "you done yet?" Our standard answer is "All I lack is finishing."

The one I really like is: "Oh no! You gave me exactly what I asked for!"

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Quote (Jboggs)

The one I really like is: "Oh no! You gave me exactly what I asked for!"
*snip*

Stealing this.

"Engineers like to solve problems. If there are no problems handily available, they will create their own problems." -Scott Adams

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

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When I was a machinist, I liked to use a variation of that.

Quote:

"No, it's not what you wanted. It's what you asked for."

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

Back when I was still on the board I made a drawing once of a shaft for a small conveyor system which had 4 shallow stepped-down segments which were to be knurled for extra friction to help drive four narrow neoprene belts. However I only drew the knurling on one of the segments adding an annotation stating 'TYPICAL 4-PLACES' (note that this was pre-CAD and it was just extra work to draw the knurling pattern on ALL four segments shown on the drawing).

Sure enough, when they finished assembling the machine I was called out to the shop because only one of the conveyor belts was moving properly. That's when I noticed that only one segment of the shaft had knurling and when we checked with the machine shop the guy who machined it said that he simply "made it like the picture on the drawing". When I asked him if he had seen the annotation his comment was that he didn't know what 'TYPICAL' meant. I was more upset with the inspection department since this is the sort of thing they should have caught or at least questioned engineering (me, in this case) as to what was expected.

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Quote (JohnRBaker)

When I asked him if he had seen the annotation his comment was that he didn't know what 'TYPICAL' meant.

Was your reply to him "Well that's typical of you"

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RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

At the time, I was a young engineer and he was an old machinist. For all I know, he may have done this on purpose so as to make a point, except that he seems to have missed delivering the 'punch line' as it were ponder

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An older electrical engineer that I worked with on ocassion told me a story about checking the fuses on a job with the local engineer... The older guy took out his ohm-meter and began to check the fuses... This one is shorted he said and laid it to the side. The next one is shorted as well. ALL THREE FUSES ARE SHORTED!!! The local engineer was shocked and went and got a new box of fuses lol...

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It's like the stories my maternal grandfather told me about his first job in America (he was 20 years old when he arrived from Belgium with no cash, not speaking a word of English) working in a paper mill doing whatever dirty job the foreman could dream up (after all, he was just a dumb immigrant kid). He said it took him nearly a week before he realized that monkey wrenches did NOT come in left- and right-hand versions. But he stuck it out and a couple of years later, after his English improved, he managed to get a job at the city waterworks, and 40 years later he retired as the Chief Water Engineer for the City of Monroe, Mich. And this with only a 3rd grade education, but he was the smartest man I ever met when it came to doing math in his head. He loved to play cards (Canasta, Rummy, etc) and he used to give us kids a hard time when we needed to use a pencil to add up the scores, carrying places and such. He always knew everyones score before we could add them up. I suspect that his math skills impressed me so much that I always tried to do well in school and this eventually led to my going to engineering school.

John R. Baker, P.E.
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I did once attempt to punish my daughter (then 10) for something by making her sit in the corner and counting backwards from "pi".

Being as big as geek as I, she did:

"Three, point one four one five nine two...Hey!!!!

--Boothby

"The biggest cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid people are so sure about things and the intelligent folks are so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

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Now thats' funny!

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Oh, goodness....you're one of those.

--Boothby

"The biggest cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid people are so sure about things and the intelligent folks are so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

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Did somebody say "Pie"?

Boottmills

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

Who said "ΠR2? Pie are Round, Cake are Square."

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I just use the infinite product of nested radicals. Piece of cake. ;)

Quote (Wikipedia)

According to Jörg Arndt and Christoph Haenel, thirty-nine digits are sufficient to perform most cosmological calculations, because that is the accuracy necessary to calculate the volume of the universe with a precision of one atom.

If you know as many digits as boothby's daughter, you can calculate the average circumference of the moon to within a meter, or a circular football stadium accurate within a thousandth of an inch.

"Engineers like to solve problems. If there are no problems handily available, they will create their own problems." -Scott Adams

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"Four, minus 4 over three, plus 4 over 5, minus 4 over seven. Dad!?! How many frikkin' terms do I have to bring this out to?"

"With a mouth like that...20."

"Aw! Jesus frikkin' Christ!"

"Thirty, then!"


Ah...memories. I shall enjoy them!

--Boothby

"The biggest cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid people are so sure about things and the intelligent folks are so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

When I first started working, I remember asking another engineer, "How's your wife?"

"Compared to what?" was his reply.

Spoken like a true engineer!

RE: Do Engineers have a (Weird) Sense of Humor

It's probably more dorky...

Ioana

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You do realize that the pyramids were supposed to be rectangular blocks of stone? None of this cheap, easy-to-build-at-the-top pointed stuff we are stuck with today.

Pharaoh forgot he was talking to an engineer when he said "And I want them built of solid rock. Make them this wide, and this long, and this high."

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