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Timber nailer on Steel beam

Timber nailer on Steel beam

Timber nailer on Steel beam

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I have steel members that will be supporting timber decking. In order to attach the decking to the steel members, I need to design the connection between a timber nailer and the top flange of our W8 shape. I have done a little research and have found that a normal detail for this would be to shop weld studs to the top of the steel and drill the nailer in the field. How exactly can this be designed? The resources I have found have simply said "size and spacing determined by the engineer." Can anyone point me in the right direction?

RE: Timber nailer on Steel beam

Not sure of the forces you anticipate - but have seen heavy doses of wood construction glue used. Clamp as you go.

Also - much easier and cheaper(than welding) is to place bolts on opposite sides of web as you march down the beam length. Say at most 16'' oc. - 24'' might be OK. Just drill through the wood and steel at same time. NO welding required.

Also have seen powdered actuated anchors used. By far the quickest and easiest meth.

Have fun..

RE: Timber nailer on Steel beam

(OP)
I was thinking about placing bolts on opposite sides of the web, but I couldn't find any info on sizing these either. Most likely this is the route we will go, however, I would really like to see some type of reference talk about this type of connection before I specify it.

RE: Timber nailer on Steel beam

Design them the same way you would design shear connectors for composite construction, although your studs wouldn't require the same strength as needed for composite construction.

RE: Timber nailer on Steel beam

I don't know "powdered actuated anchors", but with a stud welding gun you can easily achieve what you want/need. very easy, fast, and no actual "welding" required. Also no need to chamfer the bottom end of the through hole (through the wood); as there's no weld around the studs.

RE: Timber nailer on Steel beam

Keep in mind that these bolts are not high strength A325's but rather simple bolts used for wood construction - the loading/design of the weld of the bolt to the beam won't be the critical failure mode but will probably be the bolt/head shear in the wood or pull out.

Also, we've used self-tapping screws for this rather than bolts - look at Hilti's product catalog as they have some screws that can work.

RE: Timber nailer on Steel beam

And don't forget to check possible uplift

RE: Timber nailer on Steel beam

Some thoughts:

1. If you are using top hung joist hangers off the plate, which it does not look like you are, extend the plate to the edge of the seel beam flange.

2. These threaded studs react in bearing against the nailer for shear. So, the max shear is directly related to the diameter of the bolt bearing parallel to grain, or perpendicular to grain, depending on the force direction, and subject to the allowable forces for bolts in the NDS.

3. You might want to countersink the bolt and nut heads into the 2X plate and paint with a good wood preservative.

4. If this is an outdoor application, the plate wants to be pressure treated - real bad!

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
http://mmcengineering.tripod.com

RE: Timber nailer on Steel beam

If you are just attaching the nailer for decking only and the beam flange isn't too thick you may want to consider self-tapping, self-drilling screws with wings. (Simpson TB screws and Hilti has an equivalent product). When I attach like this, I design the attachment for uplift and any diaphragm shears that are transferred through the connection

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