Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
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Has any one has recently trained in the above.
or has experience that has words of wisdom.
I need to get up to date. Seems it's the buzz word on on posted jobs.
Thanks
Mfgenggear
or has experience that has words of wisdom.
I need to get up to date. Seems it's the buzz word on on posted jobs.
Thanks
Mfgenggear





RE: Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
When the future's architectured
By a carnival of idiots on show
You'd better lie low
RE: Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
Lean is very interesting to me. Read The Goal by Goldblatt.
The other two things are just ways of arranging 1s and 0s to satisfy some arbitrary criterion. Apparently some people have a preference as to which program is used.
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RE: Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
- 6S is a fabulously powerful analytical tool to help isolate the main contributor in the pareto chart of problem causes.
- Popularity of 6S comes and goes with the economic cycle. When companies are "sharpening their tools when it's raining," then 6S is the latest short-sighted MBA-doink quick-fix management fad. When they're "making hay while the sun is shining," then 6S advocates are considered bothersome pariahs.
- Most trainings of rigorous 6S is too far advanced mathematically for most folks to handle. It's a rare duck of an engineer that doesn't devote all their energies to surviving & passing an engineering curriculum without successfully avoiding any and all statistics classes. The formal 6S training that I have suffered through assumed one had Master's level credentials in Applied Statistics. How in the world am I supposed to know that I should be analyzing the variances of a data stream rather than the standard deviation ? You're kidding, right?
- The most recent 6S training opened my eyes as to how it can or should be applied in a manufacturing environment. The most recent training was MINITAB-centric and took the course of action to identify ALL root cause contributors of a problem at one time. This was assumed to be a 12-step process that was a planned 4-6 month process before results were released. In my experience, this is not acceptable in a fast-paced manufacturing operation. Another approach in which I was trained (and believe in) is the Shainin 6S method. That method is rigorous 6S, but packaged in a way that reduces the amount of hard math and uses more simple tests and charts. This makes it much more adaptable by shop-floor personnel. Also it's philosophy is to seek & identify the largest root cause contributor in the pareto of causes, allowing the organization to concentrate it's efforts within available workload. Then start over again and seek the next contributor. It follows the continuous improvement philosophy and is very effective.
- 6S doesn't solve problems. It identifies root causes. A 6S project can crash and burn massively because the investigator team is still unable to deploy an effective solution, or management will not release the funds to fix it. Everybody loses and 6S is branded as non-effective.
- I'm sure there are some good ones, there MUST be. But too many 6S consultants are vultures & maggots feasting on the twin rotting corpses of corporate management leadership Ability & Intelligence, and they're getting fat doing it.
- The 6S "Belt" culture is corrupt and meaningless. White, Green, Black, Master Black...sheesh. It doesn't mean a thing when I can purchase "certification" for $99 online.
Lean manufacturing is just something that makes good sense to me. There is a wealth of material available to learn the thought processes and methods. Try lean.org for some leaning materials as a start. It ain't rocket science, just practical application of common sense to most any type of "operations" environment. But there are still plenty of self-proclaimed "Lean Experts" out there who will gladly take your money and blind you with A Flash Of The Obvious.TygerDawg
Blue Technik LLC
Virtuoso Robotics Engineering
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RE: Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
RE: Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
30 years ago did job adds list what type of pencil you had to use, or what media you were drawings on (tracing paper, vellum, linen, paper...) or what brand of drafting machine/table you had to be on?
OK, that's not a very fair comparison but is I think the root of the issue on 'what CAD system' - it's a means to an end.
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RE: Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
Yes I started on the drafting board too. it was fun!
really google sketch up. engineer
there some pricey schools out there, generally I do not train on any thing unless the target company requires it.
tyger dawg nice write up.
Mfgenggear
RE: Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
I need to take on line classes, then buy a student copy of one of them.
Lean Mfg is what "companies" want their Mfg Eng's to know. my current company does not require it. so may be this helps some.
I have been with this company for 17 years I am out of date. so to speak.
Mfgenggear
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RE: Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
If Pro/E is a key performance parameter (KPP) that's untradeable, that tells you something about the company, doesn't it?
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Honestly, when I'm interviewing someone for a position that requires familiarity with a certain CAD package then just having completed some training class doesn't really cut it. Either you've used the tool enough to be useful or you don't really meet the requirement.
That said, I don't think we ask for specific CAD package familiarity any more for engineering positions, though if looking for a CAD administrator or even a dedicated draftsman/designer we might pay a bit more attention.
Are you looking just to nominally hit requirements of job adds, or to really add to your skills mfgenggear?
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RE: Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
Exactly!
However It is easy to get behind. and complacent.
The more info on the subject, & experience, the better informed.
Catia will probably be my choice.
Lean Manufacturing I could really use help with.
Six Sigma I am contiplating the revlance.
Just throwing feelers out there for responces.
Thanks
Mfgenggear
RE: Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
On the CAD front, I'd guess that CATIA is probably pretty dominant in your desired field to arguably the best choice. However, you may need to be careful of what version of CATIA you do training on etc.
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RE: Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
It is to improve my skills, Basicly it's like being a Doctor
that has to keep up with times. & not just say I have taken a class.
I have years of Board work, Cad key, & Auto cad.
One has to be proficient to draw & more with the required Cad Package.
Thanks
Mfgenggear
RE: Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
People tend to look upon seminar and short courses as some form of boondoggle, so having too many of the raises the issue of why you had so much free time to do these things.
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that is good feed back.
sincerely gratefully to all for your responses.
I have another 5-10 years left until retirement.
I just like to be ready in case we lose contracts.
maybe I should just stick it out.
Thanks
Mfgenggear
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Cheers
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RE: Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
Do you have or know of lean mfg examples on a production line?
Yes I am a Jack of all trades, I started out on the production floor.
and yes it is one responsibilities. however that said, The management
has to be behind of these type of tool kits.
I do appreciate all responses.
Thanks
Mfgenggear
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Cheers
Greg Locock
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Now there is an argument that all you've done is pushed your inventory back onto the supplier, but it doesn't have to be that way.
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Greg Locock
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Thanks for the reply ,
I am the supplier at this point. LOL
My company makes parts to contract.
The Goal OK will do
Take Care
Mfgenggear
RE: Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
I've used it to highlight poor control strategies because we, indeed, were not in control. We just thought we were.
I learned this stuff before 6S came along and management wanted to apply it to human behavior. Good luck with that application.
6S became a black hole in some companies because they didn't have the right resources working on the projects. They were engineers but engineers lacking experience and had no knowledge of how to measure and control various process parameters. Consequently, the various Belts sucked large sums of money and produced no measurable results let alone ROI.
Then managers began to use 6S as a weapon to chastise people for poor performance. It's unfortunate that managers, some of them, look for ways to use good tools to threaten good people. They needed to look in the mirror for the real cause of a good many problems.
Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC
RE: Lean Six Sigma, Catia, & Pro Engineer
I have however been to many buzzword schools. They change with time but are very much the same things with new words attached, but sometimes you need to play the game. There is a danger of playing the game to serious. Look at the tool then decide how to sensibly apply it for real improvement rather than with religious fervour.
Way back when I studied statistical quality control one lesson was the real costs of a defect vs the cost of fixing the cause. It included but did not quantify intangibles if I recall correctly. Maybe I included that last bit myself over time.
Lean I understand it used to be called time and motion and inventory control and working capital to turnover ratio. Personally I also included a cost of lost business because of stock outs vs cost of extra working capital. I know on one very high cost item, it led me toward changing to airfreight to save costs. That was when the interest rates here where 18%.
Regards
Pat
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