Metering summation CT connections
Metering summation CT connections
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I'm in the process of modifying an existing MV switchboard to convert a motor starter into a transformer feeder. I have a question regarding the metering scheme.
The original metering scheme is an electro-mechanical design and uses a number of summation CTs with multiple 5A primaries and a single 5A secondary. The new transformer feeder will have independent metering so I need to remove this feeder from the summation scheme. I had intended to short this 'spare' winding, but one of my colleagues has put enough doubt in my mind that by shorting the primary I will effectively add another low-burden 'secondary' which may affect the accuracy of the metering. There's obviously a path for an ampere-turn balance to be achieved through the meter regardless of what happens to this 'spare' winding so I'm not worried about the possibility of open-circuiting the CT but clearly I don't want to degrade the metering accuracy.
Summation CTs aren't something I'm overly familiar with so I would appreciate any thoughts from people who are more familiar with them than I am.
The original metering scheme is an electro-mechanical design and uses a number of summation CTs with multiple 5A primaries and a single 5A secondary. The new transformer feeder will have independent metering so I need to remove this feeder from the summation scheme. I had intended to short this 'spare' winding, but one of my colleagues has put enough doubt in my mind that by shorting the primary I will effectively add another low-burden 'secondary' which may affect the accuracy of the metering. There's obviously a path for an ampere-turn balance to be achieved through the meter regardless of what happens to this 'spare' winding so I'm not worried about the possibility of open-circuiting the CT but clearly I don't want to degrade the metering accuracy.
Summation CTs aren't something I'm overly familiar with so I would appreciate any thoughts from people who are more familiar with them than I am.
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Just for future reference, and because I'm gonna get asked, what would the effect have been if we had shorted it?
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Actually, as I think about it, it would depend on the construction of the summation CT. If it is a design where all of the primary windings are wound around the same core and the secondary is also wound around that core, then it actually makes more sense to short the unused primary.
However, there are other type designs that are constructed differently.
I change my previous answer to "ask the manufacturer". :)
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If it is a single-core design, you're correct that the winding doesn't know if it's a primary or secondary winding. Therefore, if the winding is left open-circuit, it effectively presents infinite burden and will drive the flux density of the core towards saturation.
If you had a conventional CT with 1 primary winding and 2 secondary windings, you would obviously short an unused secondary winding, right?
However, the impact still depends on the construction of the unit. If it is a high-ratio (meaning 1 or 2 primary turns, it may be better to leave the winding open. If it is a wound primary with many primary turns (like a 50:5 or 100:5), then it might be better to short the winding.
Bottom line...he needs to ask the manufacturer.
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Not if there is another non-infinite burden winding the primary can link to.
"If you had a conventional CT with 1 primary winding and 2 secondary windings, you would obviously short an unused secondary winding, right?"
If single core? No, it will divert ampere-turns from the intended path through the instrument. This would be like shorting the unused taps of a multiratio CT.
Actually tried putting an extra shorted conductor through the window of a CT once unintentionally in the form of a ground loop. Bad things happen. I think I wrote about it here. Excitation test found no knee, no saturation.
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It's a low ratio type, wound primaries, wound secondary. Nameplate says 5+5+5+5+5+5 / 5A
Physically it looks rather like a conventional toroidal CT with a lot of terminals.
I can follow the logic of Stevenal's suggestion to leave it O/C to prevent current in the 'spare' winding contributing ampere-turns and robbing them from the secondary. I am not certain that an additional secondary is always shorted - I am pretty sure that the few large bushing CTs I've seen with test windings had the test winding left open circuit. Maybe I'm mistaken.
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I remember these summation CTs were a common item in the UK where multiple feeders had to be summated. All the primary CTs had to have the same ratio of course, for this to work.
rasevskii
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Just like when you parallel CTs together for bus differential, any combination of primaries can be open at any time without needing to do anything special.
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I agree with your reasoning; on reflection my colleague is probably right. Also in agreement with David and stevenal.
scottf,
I don't think this CT is anything special in terms of design, it's roughly 40 years old and the design might well be a lot older than that. I really appreciate the input from all of you. I'll leave it open circuit and report back on any adverse effects we encounter, equally if it behaves itself I'll drop a comment in.
Thanks all.
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RE: Metering summation CT connections
RE: Metering summation CT connections
Measurement the voltage across the open primary. If it's low or close to 0, then you're ok and it was the type construction to leave open-circuit.
Also, maybe there is a schematic showing the construction.
We make some summation CTs in Europe that don't work the same way as we're used to in the US market.
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I think the reason for a summation CT is that if you paralleled CT secondaries, each with 5A then the total would be for 6 x 5A inputs= 30A output. The summation CT output winding is not the same ratio as the input windings, that is it is an interposing CT with a ratio between output and input.
Example: say that there are 6 inputs of 5A and the primary CTs are 100/5 for 6 parallel feeders from the same busbar. Say that each is carrying 100A out from the busbar. Therefore the total is 600A, and the summation CT output winding would have 5A if all the inputs are 5A, in other words it has a ratio as seen by any input to the output of 6 to 1. (or 1 to 6 if you prefer)
It is a single phase device and so three of them are required.
I think that is how it works IIRC...
rasevskii
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