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sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?
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sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

(OP)
The new strategy every two years, usually a new ceo, providing more bullshit and hot air for the management team to discuss and monitor in meetings when the rest of us carry on as normal delivering projects to the same clients under the same conditions. Decisions taken that effect delivery by those with have no idea. HR giving themselves fancy names and producing endless paperwork for the simplest thing making work for themselves but also for the rest of us. Rant over.
Your turn.

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

Do I know you?  Do we work at the same place?

Regards,

SNORGY.

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

It's everywhere. Also what started jobs moving to China, dishonest/greedy/selfish/ignorant/etc upper management.
They have multiple meetings everyday to discuss BS. At the end of the meetings they give out homework to others to bring back more BS to put on their desks. In the mean time they have fancy lunches, etc.

If I owned a company, the CEO and management would have experience in the products we make, not just a BS degree with firing experience.

Chris
SolidWorks 11
ctopher's home
SolidWorks Legion

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

(OP)
What gets me is the money that must be wasted in all this. Theres a show on here in uk, or used to be, where they remove a layer of management and let the workers get on with it. Reality shoe not a drama. Guess what the result is?

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

Blood pressure seems dangerously high here.

If you hate your job, move.

Can't find a suitable job, work by the hour.
 

- Steve
 

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

Worse is goverment regulators with an agenda that won't work. Then they blame your industry for being greedy, or unwilling to tow the green line.

At least with new managment fads you get a tee shirt, and coffee mug.

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

From my experience it was the companies that provided the simple service or product that had the absolute worst management in this respect. Now that I work in a higher technology industry the out of control idiots don't make it through the door. I guess I'm pretty lucky right now.

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

bigTomHanks - You're working in the exception to the norm. I've worked in high tech companies where I've been in small meetings with a high executive present and the discussion in the meeting quickly reveals how out-of-touch and clueless they usually are.

That's why legends of middle-level a$$ ki$$er$ are needed to hide the fact that the emperor has no clothes.

common sense is indeed very uncommon

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

ukengineer58
You need to go to the public library and read "Parkinsons Law" or, if you have already read it, read it again.
  It will not help you, but it will make you realise that things are not as bad as they could be.
B.E.

The good engineer does not need to memorize every formula; he just needs to know where he can find them when he needs them.  Old professor

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

"The Peter Principle" states that in an organization people tend to rise to their level of incompetence.
My favorite was a construction job with incredibly inept supervision.
Badly behind schedule and over budget, in desperation a foreman's meeting was called, at 7:00 AM sharp. The entire crew sat without assigned work until the meeting was over.
Another aspect of the inept supervision was that they couldn't assign work even a day ahead. Each foreman gave his crew their direction for the day at the start of each shift, (after the meeting was over on that day.)
 

Bill
--------------------
"Why not the best?"
Jimmy Carter

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

Quote (waross):

..
"The Peter Principle" states that in an organization people tend to rise to their level of incompetence.

   The Peter Principle states that people rise to their level of incompetence.  

   In his book, Peter also states that (in)competence is in the eye of the beholder.  I think this negates his first point.  

               JHG

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

Ah yes, we have new operations management (New VP, Manufacturing Eng Director, Production Director & Supply Chain Director...) so they are reinventing the wheel, trying to introduce their versions of the things the department I was originally part of was trying to do 6 years ago...  Name your Acronym DFx, FMEA... they're rolling them all out.

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RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

Our new boss seems unusually sensible. Not a job hopper. Not using this post as a step ladder. Not fighting against the bosses. Feels quite nice.

- Steve
 

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

SG, enjoy.
If he is any good he won't last long before he either gets promoted up the ladder or they sideline him.
There is nothing senior management hate more than the sight of more able people on the lower rungs climbing up after them. They fear being overtaken and shown up for what they are. They will take steps to fix the "problem".

JMW
www.ViscoAnalyser.com

 

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

They say 50% of all promotions are bad promotions. But you never see those 50% demoted, because that would make the promoter look bad.

This is the basis of the tidal shifts of in-sourcing, and out-sourcing, as well as managment fads. The purpose is remove dead wood. The problem is the best talent leaves from the frustration of it all.

So if you ever wonder why middle managment seems to always be shifting, it's because of the 50% of bad promotions.

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

Ah, yes, cranky108 has highlighted once again the corporate mantra of "never admitting to a mistake nor saying anyone else has made a mistake" and we will call that progress.  To me, the last recession was a result of that kind of thinking.

People are the same everywhere.  We can complicate something as simple as thirst.  Look at the rows and shelves of drinkable products in the grocery and convenience stores.

Much of what companies do today adds no value to their end product.

Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

Yes, it is a triumph of marketing that in countries where the tap water is safe to drink, they can sell so much bottled water at 1000 times the price of tap water.

JMW
www.ViscoAnalyser.com

 

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

This reminds me of somewhere I worked that the person doing the books had a job to make a presentation twice a year to show the employees how the company was doing.  I could not believe what I heard, but it took 6 months to come up with 1 powerpoint slide with a pie graph with useless info.  That was it.  Somehow that person is still there.

B+W Engineering and Design
Los Angeles Civil and Structural Engineering
http://bwengr.com

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

I have maintained that bad managers are pretty well assured of some sort of tenure never actually being fired or demoted but an exception comes to mind.

Our company was putting on a lavish open day for invited senior managers of the water industry.
A marquis was erected in the car park and no expense spared on the buffet with a seemingly limitless supply of champagne.

That was the day a new manager arrived for work. By mid afternoon he was paralytic.
He did not appear the next day and was never seen or heard of again.
 

JMW
www.ViscoAnalyser.com

 

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

I would guess the reason Dilbert is so popular is we can all relate to the behaviour in some way and think that could happen here.

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

It's like Dilbert's writer is lurking at our office taking notes on all of us.

What puzzles me about Dilbert is that when the guy started writing the cartoon, he worked at a real company.  He was so successful he left and did Dilbert full time.  I wonder how he keeps fresh on his material for the column because he continues to be spot on.

rmw

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

I think the basics behind the behaviour shown in Dilbert have been around for millennia. Nothing in this regard is new, so there is no need to stay up to date. The writer can simply draw of memory from when he did work in a corporate structure.  

Regards
Pat
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RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

1.  He has spies in his fan club who keep him up to date.

2.  Life on one slave ship is not substantially different from life on any other slave ship, and change comes slowly.

As an example of (2), he could update many old strips by:
- drawing the cell phones smaller.
- drawing the computer monitors larger and thinner.
- drawing the computers themselves smaller.

3.  Pointy haired bosses never change.

 

Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

Nothing really new in management:

We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganised.  I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganising: and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralisation.

Caius Petronius, Roman Consul, 66 A.D.

- Steve
 

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

Nice one Steve. Not just a hairy biker after all?spineyes

JMW
www.ViscoAnalyser.com

 

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

Dilbert's writer is lurking at Eng-Tips and uses it for free material for the next cartoon.

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

Free Eng-Tips t-shirt and mug to the member who figures out which one of us is Scott Adams.  Here's one hint.  It's not me.

"Gorgeous hair is the best revenge."  Ivana Trump

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

Or me....  The artwork maybe but .... a cartoon with only about twenty words?

JMW
www.ViscoAnalyser.com

 

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

lol
jmw,
You would have to do like Gary Trudeau did with Doonesbury and make the panels bigger... but a lot bigger.  Then we can get out our magnifiers to read them once the papers shrink them.

Technically, the glass is always  full.

RE: sick of all the bull rant. is it the same everywhere?

I probably worked with Scott Adams under the alias J---- N-----.  It was a Friday in '98 or '99 when he said "I'm thinking of starting a mutual fund for the office". On Monday, Dogbert said the same thing. There were a lot of strange coincidences for several years. Anyway...

I think mergers and acquisitions have added to the stupidity in our business by waiting too long to integrate firms. My current slave masters are probably the leader in dysfunctionality,  buzz words and embracing any fad that comes along, but no tee shirts. The previous slave masters were big on tee shirts.

Sometimes, work reminds me of photos and film clips of Nazi Germany near the end - posters, banners, flag waving - proclaiming all is well and great. Some of initiatives that the company implements are in theory good but in the end they either over complicate things or don't develop them in a practical and useful way.

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