Billing Multipliers
Billing Multipliers
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small firm - 13 engineers including 2 principals
total billing multiplier = 3.87 including ONLY salary and bonus and no benefits - obtained by dividing total billings over several years by total combined salary and bonus
hourly billing multiplier = 3.34 - obtained by dividing hourly billing rate by hourly pay rate
this thread discussed billing multipliers: http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=237582
consider a project engineer / project manager that does not manage any people for a small company with low overhead
The most accurate way to assess the value and overall profitability to the company seems to be to consider the "total billing multiplier" as shown above. I have seen the billing multiplier be referred to in several ways from several sources, but this seems like the best way to me.
what is a good multiple for this position?
from what I gather, industry standard for small size firms is typically lower than that for large firms (2-3 or 2.5-3)
any information you can provide is appreciated
total billing multiplier = 3.87 including ONLY salary and bonus and no benefits - obtained by dividing total billings over several years by total combined salary and bonus
hourly billing multiplier = 3.34 - obtained by dividing hourly billing rate by hourly pay rate
this thread discussed billing multipliers: http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=237582
consider a project engineer / project manager that does not manage any people for a small company with low overhead
The most accurate way to assess the value and overall profitability to the company seems to be to consider the "total billing multiplier" as shown above. I have seen the billing multiplier be referred to in several ways from several sources, but this seems like the best way to me.
what is a good multiple for this position?
from what I gather, industry standard for small size firms is typically lower than that for large firms (2-3 or 2.5-3)
any information you can provide is appreciated





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I have seen municipal (i.e. "public sector") work multipliers between 2.0 and 2.4, coincident with industrial(i.e. "oil and gas private sector") work multipliers around 1.7 and down.
If you are too much over 2.0, you might not be competitive long term.
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SNORGY.
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Snorgy - the high multiplier in this case indicates that the employee is very profitable for the company. I'm referring to the overall multiplier of total billings to total compensation.
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4 is nearer the mark in the mechanical and automotive field.
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Straight labour, though, = 2 or less.
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SNORGY.
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If you are working out your own salary to see of it is reasonable then look at it in the way you are checking. If you are wanting to set the billing rates of others, you have to look at it from the "back end", meaning if your market will allow a billing rate of $200 per hour, then you can only pay that person $50/hr.
Snorgy...if your multiplier is 2.0, you are not even breaking even if you have any reasonable benefits at all, particularly if the firm has any hard assets (lab equipment, field equipment, real estate, etc.).
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Conversely, there is the actual billing multiplier, oftimes called the "wrap" rate, which billable rate/compensation. The end result is the same, to cover the utilities, nonbillables, and other overhead, including profit. 3:1 seems to be a reasonable average, and can be applied in a number of ways. Say you hear about a company with 200 employees and $4M in revenue. $4M/200/3 = $6.6k. THAT's a problem. Same company with $40M revenue -> $66k, which is tolerably healthy, given that the the bulk of the employees probably have less than $66k salary.
The multiplier is a drastic function of the industry, and even the type of company within an industry. An engineering-heavy company might have a much higher multiplier than a manufacturing company, where the gross majority of employees are factory workers.
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How you wish to dress it up beyond that is up to you but not really very relevant.
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I know that I make $X.00 per hour, and I am billed out at less than $2X.00 per hour. Not sure where my employer is making the rest of the money if you need to have multipliers in the 3-4 range.
Maybe things are different here.
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SNORGY.
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In your case, I can't see why your employer would only bill you out at 2x. With your level of experience, I would expect that your employer should be billing you out at no less than $150 (Cdn) per hour. I'm guessing that your hourly billable rate is lower than this.
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Our rate sheets are typically reflective of approximately "2X", where X = employee pre-tax salary, across the board.
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You'd be hard-pressed to be a competitive EPC Company in Alberta, Canada with a multiplier higher than 2.0.
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In this case, the employee has come in under budget on the fee based projects to where the total revenue from the billings is up as high as 3.87.
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401k match = 0.06B
medical = 0.1B
2 weeks vacation = 0.0385B
2 weeks sick = 0.0385B
utilities, rent = 0.6B (400 sq. ft*$10/sq. ft)
overhead = 1.5B (this means you're feeding !1.5 heads that can't direct charge, like techs, facilities, maintenance, secretaries, capital depreciation[but that could be broken out separately] etc.)
cost of money = 0.05B
gross profit = 0.3B
Voila! tot = 3.687B, obviously, your mileage WILL vary.
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All I can say is...
Stupid Low Margin Oil And Gas Sector!
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Thank you very much for the breakdown! I should go back and explain further. Our company bottom line multipliers vary from high 2's to 4 and even sometimes higher (strictly individual multipliers). This all depends on the projects that we have. Some projects are much more profitable than others. I've seen a bottom line multiplier of 6 for an employee for the entire year. That same employee was in the 2's another year.
The non-principal producing employees (not including administrative) range between 2.5 and +4 typically. However, when we include the principals and administrative, the overall company multiplier is down near 2.0. How we are able to have that low of a bottom line multiplier is unknown to me. I believe our company distributes much of the profit and does not re-invest in the company. Our overhead is also pretty low. The benefits that we receive are better than standard, but we keep other overhead low.
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For example I don't know how many companies make a 30% profit, not many I would guess. Especially in smaller privately owned companies where the owner/s takes a salary out of the company that could easily drop to 5%.
Also the figure of 1.5 x to support other staff is very high, I am not saying there are not companies run like that but there are also companies that run much nearer 10 supporting 1 and usually they would be on a lower salary.
If you just make those two changes you are now looking at 2.1 not 3.7.
It is possible to run a sustainable company on a margin of 2x and it is equally possible for a company to lose money on a margin of 4x.there are just so many variables.
The ONLY way to work out if a company is profitable is monies in – monies out.
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It also varies a lot based on what you sell, if it's hours, projects, products...
The obsession with fairly crude hourly multipliers always struck me as a bit odd.
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I should have probably narrowed it down in my original post. Your replies have shed light on the fact that different sized firms offering different services are not apples to apples.
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I doubt anyone would fall outside those parameters, so even then are you comparing like for like?
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If this is true I believe you are going about it in the wrong way. Again I would go back to your example of the one person who came in at 6x one yea and 2x another, did they really go from being the highest profit generator to the lowest? If not what are you "proving"?
In a company the size you describe whoever makes the decisions should have a very good idea of who does what and what they add to the bottom line. Even people with the same job description have different strengths and weaknesses and whilst you would always try and hand pick what type of project you gave to each individual this is not always possible.
Projects that go wrong are always a major drain on profits, so it might be sound business sense to put your top person on them, whilst it could be "proven" that they were the lowest profit centre as an individual they would make the company the most profit if they cleared it up the quickest and everyone else could carry on doing what they do best.
It is also not uncommon to use the top people to help with quotations and to run things past that you have a bad feeling about, again this would show a bad return for the individual but would be far better from the companies point of view than putting in a bad quotation.
Obviously these are very simple examples but in business as in sport it is not just the guy that scores the goal/ touchdown or try that wins you the match it is the people that got you there in order to be able to do so, they are just as valuable.
Sitting down and talking with your boss about how you can improve your value to the company and being seen to do so would be a much better strategy than giving them a set of figures that "prove" how much you are worth, at least in my opinion.
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That is excellent advice and you are correct with your assumption. I definitely am taking everything into consideration before I present my proposal. I appreciate you sharing your wisdom on the business side of engineering! I agree it is not always about the bottom line.
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I'm putting together a report. You have given some good points and I was wondering if you would mind taking a look at it and commenting on it. If so, is there a way to do that without posting it to the entire forum?
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What can twiddle the numbers is what is the overall skill mix, as well as what the company is willing "buy-in" as well as how well the company is doing overall, as well as what the multiplier actually represents. To wit, a factory-heavy contract might have a substantially lower wrap than a purely engineering services contract, particularly in aerospace. In those instances, you might see a wrap rate for material, to cover all the incidental costs of procurement/supply chain, inspection, storage, inventory, etc. One of the reasons some defense items are expensive is that each layer of contractor adds its own wrap to material, so if the wrap is 1.3, then three layers of contracting results in 1.3^3 = 2.2.
Another reasons for drastically variable wrap would be if the company wants to keep a roughly constant contract rate, but there's a variation in skill mix. So if the contract is mostly seniors, then the wrap might drop, while if the contract is mostly juniors, the wrap might go up to maintain constancy in the net hourly contract rate.
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