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Cyriluitnederland (Automotive)
23 Dec 11 11:00
Hi,

I can't get my head around how torque is split unequally using a planetary centre diff(e.g. 30-70% f/r ratio). The fundamental laws of gearing say that for a given gear ratio, the increase in torque is inversely related to the rotational speed. However for 70% of torque to go to the rear axle it must rotate faster than the front axle (as defined by tyre characteristics).

What causes the torque to be split unequally? And how is this linked with the rotational speeds?

I have read design of machinery and Mechanisms and Dynamics of mechanics but still don't understand it.

Thanks a lot!
MikeHalloran (Mechanical)
23 Dec 11 12:27
First, think of a bevel gear differential as a special case of the planetary, where the torque split happens to be 50/50.

Now, visualize the bevel gear diff, and unwrap it in your mind, retaining but distorting its topology so that the bevel gears become spur gears.  So, it's morphed into a planetary.

Having done that, you can maybe appreciate that if you juggle the gear ratios, the planetary diff can have a split other than 50/50.

 

Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

Cyriluitnederland (Automotive)
23 Dec 11 13:12
Something along these lines?

First for a 50-50% as found in bevel diff
                          | Ring
                     _    =    _
Planet 1             |    |    |Planet2
                     =---------= Spider
                     |         |
                     =         =
sun1 going to front  |         |   Sun2 going to rear axle
                 -----         ------

And now with sun2 larger, causing larger torque output to the rear?
                          | Ring
                     _    =    _
Planet 1             |    |    |Planet2
                     =---------= Spider
                     |         |
                     =         =
sun1 going to front  |         |   Sun2 going to rear axle
                 -----         |
                               ------
 
WolfHR (Mechanical)
23 Dec 11 13:38
ISTR that there are asymetric bevel diffs as well, with one of driven gears being smaller... So torque gets split according to 50-50 power distribution and the speed difference is sorted out with different final drive ratios.
patprimmer (Publican)
23 Dec 11 16:32
If you correct asymmetrical torque split with different FD ratio, surely that negates the torque split as well.

 

Regards
Pat
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izzmus (Automotive)
23 Dec 11 21:38
Torque is independent of motion, and a differential under normal circumstances will see no internal relative motion.

Maybe that is where you're getting tripped up?

Under normal circumstances, the gears aren't moving, so they become little more than odd-looking levers.   
GregLocock (Automotive)
23 Dec 11 22:39
here's an explanation

http://www.bib-nakladnistvo.hr/integralediff.pdf

Cheers

Greg Locock


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