Transformer gas analysis
Transformer gas analysis
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I have some transformer gas results which show large increases in H2 (>300%), CO(15%), CH4(200%), C2H6(120%), C2H4(30%). Tests were taken 3 months apart. There is not enough motor load on this transformer to overload the transformer. The transformer is 5MVA. The largest single load is a fan of about 1.25 MVA. Between take of oil test 1 and oil test 2, the large fan was balanced. And in doing so they had some problems, so the fan was allowed to start many times in the course of an afternoon. I don't know how many times, but I'm sure they didn't stick with the 2 starts per hour rule. The fan takes close to 40 seconds to start. Of course the starting current is some 600% of the normal current. I don't know if any other loads were active when the fan was being balanced.
Does anyone know if multiple starts of this large fan would cause enough internal heating to result in such a large change in gases?
thanks
EE
Does anyone know if multiple starts of this large fan would cause enough internal heating to result in such a large change in gases?
thanks
EE






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2 - fwiw, assuming you are seeing a significant increase in gases such as H2, CH4, C2H6, C2H4 different than historical, my guess would be no, these are not related. The "two starts per hour" rule is undoubtedly to protect the motor. 40 seconds is a long start for the motor, but is just a short load blip for the transformer. (I don't think the transformer cares that the load turns much more inductive during this period... open to comments). If anything you might see tiny blip in CO and CO2 from the increase in temperature, but not those other gases.
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I incorrectly stated the results, so the numbers I mentioned in the first thread are not accurate.
The tests were 4.5 months apart.
Gas ppm1 ppm2 2 yr trend IEEE state
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H2 329 --> 1107 Increasing Condition 2
CH4 35 --> 69 Increasing
C2H6 11 --> 19 Increasing
C2H4 12 --> 12 Increasing
CO 500 --> 451 Increasing/flat Condition 1
CO2 7049 --> 8914 Increasing Condition 2
TDCG 886 --> 1658 Increasing Condition 1
TDCG/day = 3.5 ppm/day
ppm1 are results from 4.5 months ago
ppm2 are current results
2 yr trend is generalized trend since 2009
IEEE state comes from IEEE STD C57.104-1991
I think that the presence of the high energy gases are occurring due to a localized heating, most likely at the load tap changer. I think that there is a high resistance spot on the tap changer and the frequent motor starts provide a short term heating of that spot. This is where methane, ethane, and ethylene are coming from.
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Our LTC is in a separate compartment (not familiar with LTC in main tank). We have recently seen an increase in LTC compartment gases associated with change in load. The change in load caused the LTC to switch to an infrequently used contact and gasing only occurred when on that contact.
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thread238-304522: unusual LTC DGA results
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That's not too much different than what you were saying.
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A winding resistance test on all tap positions may help identify the problem (what phase, likely the connected tap). A TTR may be of some assistance. This could also be a loose internal connection.
Nothing beats an internal inspection. Depending on where the No Load (ULTC) tap changer is located, the problem may be easy to identify.
In larger units (from Europe), I have seen internal LTCs, quite common in fact.
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But you're right, that's not likely an accessory for that small a transformer.
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Please define "stray gassing."
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Very interesting insight. The O2 has gone down quite a bit, from 2953 to 1876. The CO2 has gone up from 7049 to 8914. The H2O has gone up from 57 to 68. I would assume that there is some combustion happening in the oil, which implies localized heating.
By the way...what do you think IEEE means by a partial discharge? How can a discharge be partial?
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PD is a problem in solid dielectrics. It doesn't affect liquids as these are self-healing and voids don't occur. Have a look at the wikipedia entry for an intro. It's a complex subject, and people spend their careers studying it.
Off thread a little: tapchanger terminology:
- OLTC (on-load tapchanger): designed to change taps while carrying rated current and live at rated voltage.
- OCTS (off-circuit tap selector): designed to change taps with the transformer windings made dead and isolated from all sources.
I have never seen an off-load tapchanger, a design which presumably allows the tap to be changed with no current flowing but live at rated voltage. Can anyone point to an example?
Pedantic? Perhaps. Three colleagues - friends - died because they operated an OCTS while the transformer was energised. They believed, incorrectly, that it was an off-load tapchanger. The resulting fire and explosion totally destroyed the transformer. The lads were caught up in the fireball.
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The term "no-load tap changer" is extremely common in the US and has been for entirety of my(nearly) 40 year career. It means a tap changer intended for de-energized operation, but I agree that it not strictly what the words seem to mean. It's probably time to retire the term. I'd never even heard the term "off-circuit tap changer" until a few years ago.
In almost every instance I can recall, the tap changer operating handle is well-marked with a sign indicating that it should not be operated while the unit is energized.
This is not meant in any way to minimize the tragedy you described, but just to say that this terminology is in wide use, at least in the US. In the past few years, the term "De-energized tap changer" or DETC has become more common. Probably due to the ABB DETC mechanism being used in most US transformers these days. I agree that this terminology is much better than "no-load tap changer".
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Hydrogen is produced in oil from low energy faults like partial discharges in paper insulation or corona discharges from live electrodes. Such discharges breakdown the C-H bonds of oil by ionisation reaction,releasing out hydrogen.In the reported case only H2 has gone up substantially and faulty gases( methane,ethane and ethylene) has increased modestly.So I cocluded there is no local heating. There is no increase CO, ruling out any chance of heating,involving paper insulation.
H2 can also be released in transformers due to rusting or other chemical reactions involving steel( esp stainless steel or Zinc coating)alkyde paints and overheated oil films in between core laminations.Interestingly this H2 can continue to increase even without energising the transformer.This is called stray gassing in oil.IEC 60599(2007) DGA caluse 4.3. More can be learnt on this by IEEE papers of TV Oommen( ABB USA).In the reported case, chances for this is little as the increase started only recently.
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Thank you for the detailed explanation. But I don't agree with your assessment that there is no localized heating based on the fact that the volatile gases have gone up modestly. Methane has doubled, and ethane has nearly doubled. Ehtylene and acetylene have been stable. I see this is as moderate temperature heating. Any kind of significant arcing would likely produce more temperature, thereby releasing the higher energy gases.
Gas analysis is definitely more an art than a science.
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I am guessing that this is a smaller unit, so connecting to the bushings would not be practical. There are several acoustical methods available which can use triangulation to help identify where the problem is.