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Do you guys entertain anyone that is interested just to see if it is worthwhile even if it would be kind of a crappy move to your current employer because you haven't even been with them that long?
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RE: Company B
Now, I would.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
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I think I would...
Chris
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B.E.
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I promised myself to stay with a company for at least one year. I've had two jobs where I ran fast as I could at 1 year 1 day, but at least then I had convinced myself it was not the place for me.
Don't forget, the grass is always greener. But if it truly is greener, good luck at your new job.
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Try selling _that_ to a guy like StructDave.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
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At least that is what I have experienced and have seen in companies.
I think the people that who have never experienced any umemployment have no compassion, so you will never hear this opinion out of them.
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controlsdude
Have you checked out the company making the offer?
Is this a solid offer, or is it one of those "We need somebody now !!" type of job offers that will evaporate when the contract is done?
In the present job climate, employers can and will hire and fire because they can. They know that with employment being tight finding new help is not a problem. You will also find your present employer is paying low wages for much the same reason.
B.E.
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Are you making it with your current salary? Seriously, money isn't everything, and spending your day with reasonable people is worth so much more for your health. Just make sure the new company isn't crazy, or like the place Cass works...
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You have nothing to lose by interviewing for the other job. You will gain more interview experience and hopefully learn some of the dynamics of the new company.
You may not be offered the job (or not want it), in which case your "problem" is solved.
If you are offered the job, you could use that as leverage with your current employer to negotiate a raise or at least show them their salary scale is too low.
If you don't interview, you will be left wondering what could have been.
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Then if you decide to jump ship, of course it could/will cause trouble to your co-workers but at the same time if your new jobs offers everything you already have and some more then who will blame you for taking this opportunity.
Of course I totally agree with slta that a bad working environment is though to overcome even with money. You have to consider everything in your decision, sometimes a much greater pay means that nobody wants to do it and their only options to find people is to pay big bucks.
Patrick
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I've been criticized in interviews for jumping around too much within one employer. I've been criticized for the last few years because I've been "unstable." If I could have seen the future, I would have remained with Marathon Petroleum. Some understand, some don't. You'll always find that.
Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC
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Not your company nor your co-workers.
Your employers first responsibility is to themselves and to their shareholders.
You come way down their list.
Employees are overheads and treated not as assets that mature in value with experience but as assets with depreciation.
The payroll is like an emergency cash reserve, times are hard they sack people and make others do two or three jobs for the same or less money and then forget all this when times improve.
Once upon a time, in a land far away where Quakers were industrialists, the care and well being of their employees was important to them and the built elysian communities for them such as Port Sunlight, Bourneville and so on. They did their own time and motion studies and reduced the working hours below the legal maximum of the day and helped push down the legal maximum.
Sure, they got rich.
But back then they cared.
(The downside was that these worker's communities, though offering well designed homes, sadly also offered temperance houses and no pubs..., but you can't have everything).
It was usual even into living memory (i.e. I have worked with some of the last of them) for workers to work for one company from the day they left school till the day they retired, with time off for military service.
But today, while too much job hopping, especially with gaps in employment, is a a sign of a potentially unsuitable employee, the norm is now for people to use their mobility (the other factor in long term employment with a single company) to change jobs on a more frequent basis.
There are a variety of reasons for this, including that it develops a much wider and more valuable experience base to offer, but not least is that this is possibly the only way to maintain any kind of decent salary and rewards or to progress up the career ladder.
Anyone who stays in the same job for too long gets regarded as "safe".
Safe means that it is safe for management to overlook them for promotion and safe too to offer them less than the going rate at pay review time.
Safe also means they will believe the manager when he says "times are hard. I have only a small pot to share out but I've done my best for you and you've got a little more than some others so please keep this pay rise/fall confidential." The probability is that the safe employee gets less than the average which is why the "do not discuss" clause is added.
It doesn't do to be "safe".
A little bit of job movement is a signal that you can't be considered safe for any length of time.
Even internal promotions are suspect.
They will pay you more than you get at the moment but probably far less than they'd have to pay to recruit from outside and certainly they will pocket the cost of recruiting from outside.
That you can find a job offering 40-50% more than you get now is perhaps a measure of how far below the rate you have been for too many years.
This brings me to the question I raised in another thread....
Application forms often want to know what your previous salary was. This may give them a chance to quickly downrate the pay they will offer you but if there are any other reasons, I can't think of them.
I am reluctant to share this information but how do you not share and not lie?
I guess one answer would be that that is company confidential information, which it may well be because if they don't want you sharing your pay details with other employees, they really won't want you sharing it with competitors or other companies.
But how do others get round this?
JMW
www.ViscoAnalyser.com
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Since I have had to bounce around the last 4 years due to this great recession we are still in I have developed some good interviewing skills.
Lies
I made a little less or more(depends on your angle of your grifting skill) then what your offering but I see more opportunity here so thats why I am interviewing with you.
I try not to lie because I am bad at it, my spider web gets me caught.
Truth
I was sadly undervalued at this last company, I looked at salary for similar positions on the internet and saw I was seriously undervalued. Its the reason I am interviewing with you.
Some form of truth
include your benefits in your salary this will be alot more I suppose but you wont be really fibbing and really they HR does this too. Then say I think I was undervalued at this other company but think I am a better fit at your company for such and such bs reason.
There are the required salary box on the application. You could go for a dream number and negoiate from there. Being too high would probably get you disqualified.
Also, most jobs go thru some recruiter so ask this guy, he would know.
The last angle is being a contract to hire position then you can get into conversations with people at that company to figure out if they (employer) are generous or not. Some won't discuss this some will be open about salary.
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Obviously, this needs to be reasonable in scale, and once again I remind you this is for people you effectively consider friends, not for your employer as such.
What is Engineering anyway: FAQ1088-1484: In layman terms, what is "engineering"?
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I felt like I needed to accept the higher offer, so I went to the new company.
I hated the new job, I wished that I could have my old one back. After 8 months, there was a downturn in the business and I was laid off. I believe the main reason was my high salary. The company kept most of the younger, entry level engineers with significanlty lower salaries.
Luckily, my former employer took me back.
My advice is stay with your current job if you enjoy it. Having a job that you enjoy going to every day is worth quite a bit. It is difficult to know what a new job is going to be like just going through the interview process. A company that is trying to recruit you will definitely make it sound like their company is a great place to work.
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What is Engineering anyway: FAQ1088-1484: In layman terms, what is "engineering"?
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That should show them that you're interested in the job, and are willing to discuss the money.
I don't think you're obligated to share previous salary information. They can make you an m offer, and you can give them feedback on it.
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Technically, the glass is always full.