Report a Board violation discovered on ENG-TIPs?
Report a Board violation discovered on ENG-TIPs?
(OP)
Obviously this is a carry-over from the "Report a Client for Fraud" thread. Moon161's post got me thinking, there is probably plenty enough information now for the more (or less) astute to begin narrowing down this project/client/company/individuals.
It appears to be a pretty egregious case. So, anyone licensed in Casseopia's jurisdiction getting squeamish?
Where is the line for reporting something like this as an unrelated third party in a not-so-anonymous forum? I don't know.
IC
It appears to be a pretty egregious case. So, anyone licensed in Casseopia's jurisdiction getting squeamish?
Where is the line for reporting something like this as an unrelated third party in a not-so-anonymous forum? I don't know.
IC





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You don't have the forged documents, do you?
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
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I doubt if *that* particular company would want to step up and say, "How dare you trash-talk us that way!"
*They* are the ones who should be seeking anonymity.
Regards,
SNORGY.
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ANY FOOL CAN DESIGN A STRUCTURE. IT TAKES AN ENGINEER TO DESIGN A CONNECTION."
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Some of us have taken steps to give people confidence we are who we say we are, but others have not. The ones that have taken those steps may just be creating a "legend" to support their fantasy posting. It is a stretch, but not impossible.
Best bet in my opinion is to RF any posts that seem to be leading towards advocating unethical behaviour. More than that and you're just looking to let your car become chattel in a defamation suit.
David
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zda04, you forgot part of the description! It should be 26 yo female with long, beautiful hair, smart, good cook and fine architect, who happens to look like that 56 yo mailman living in his mom's basement.
ImminentCollapse, report anything you want. There is nothing here that I could not back up with photos and my own personal file of marked-up reports. Just be careful of those who like to kill the messenger.
"Gorgeous hair is the best revenge." Ivana Trump
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Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
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A colleague of mine upset his SB (who later divorced him) and she trashed the hard drive on his computer.
A lock box somewhere or a friend you can trust.
But we already covered not allowing anyone access to anything important to you.
JMW
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I keep hard copies in an off-site storage facility, but I also have a thumb drive onto which I download files. The items I critical items I have are marked-up copies of my report, some original, some scanned and printed. All files are in my work folder on my desktop, or in the project file. I keep copies in case those things disappear, or I am cut off from access.
I never tried making the external drive password protected or anything. Don't even know if that's possible.
"Gorgeous hair is the best revenge." Ivana Trump
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I much prefer you as a 28 y.o. engineer
Zdas04, any more such alarms and I'll need to act!
JMW
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I prefer the title 'Postal Worker' thank you. Now if I can only get my m...mm...muth...mother to tell me where she hid the clips.....
"Gorgeous hair is the best revenge." Ivana Trump
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I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same in your case, just a reminder that copying the stuff (in any form) and taking it off premises may present a legal sticky wicket.
Dan - Owner

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This isn't a thread you started. I was talking about a general principle--you can't turn someone in to the board for posts on a semi-anonymous forum. I certainly wasn't implying that any particular contributer was a postal carrier living in his mother's basement.
David
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On a grand scale - if you are privy to an infraction and have ALL the facts, it should be reported - but you don't.
There are two sides to every story - and usually three. The third where the truth really comes out.
So offer your opinion if you wish and let the to OP handle it his/her way!!
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Although I do wonder what sort of "damages" Cass could be assessed with in a lawsuit if she was only taking stuff to protect her own best interests against wrongful termination, or against future fraud issues.
back to the OP's question:
It has been my experience with internet discussion forums that cops laugh and ignore anything that comes out of them, by necessity. The only example I can recall of an internet discussion forum turning into "real" action is when those NC State football fans recently filed an Open Records request to get Butch Davis's phone records, which ended up leading to UNC firing him to prevent them from becoming public knowledge and keep them out of the hands of the NCAA. Extremely different situation obviously.
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I would certainly copy everything and keep it safely off premisses, but I would show them to no one except my lawyer.
If this becomes a legal issue he can determine what can be used and how it can be used. It will certainly help with discovery (I presume the USA has similar laws re discovery hat we have) if he knows what to look for exactly and to help nail them if documents are missing.
A good read up of non disclosed documents certainly helps to refresh the memory and keep statements accurate and consistent.
You may want to keep diary notes. Their accuracy might be enhanced also by a bit of study.
Regards
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Is it illegal to keep copies of the documents, any documents, in an uncontrolled external/private resource?
I guess you couldn't use documents kept that way as a part of any project because they are not within your QA procedures.
But that isn't whey you are keeping them.
Or is it only illegal if you take such documents to use them for personal gain? e.g. making competing offers, starting your own business etc.
There is a legal distinction, in the UK, between car theft (GTA) and taking away without the owners consent (joyriding).
For some reason the more serious crime is car theft but it has to be shown that the reason the car was stolen was for gain, to be sold or stripped for parts.
If that cannot be proven, then the best the police can do is charge joyriding which , I think, entitles the offender to apply for an adventure holiday at Her Majesties Expense.
Don't ask me why this is or if I agree with this subtlety, but maybe some similar thinking applies to keeping copies of relevant documents, not for personal gain but for non-commercial reasons and, in the circumstances here, maybe they'd have a hard job showing any criminal intent.
JMW
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The courts usually do not admit articles into evidence if it can be shown the plaintiff/defendant obtained them unlawfully. The lawyers can use such evidence only if they (or their clients) took no part in the theft. If one of Cass' coworkers kept this info for her (and unbeknownst to her), that could be entered into evidence without issue. But then the coworker could get into trouble.
Of course, all rules/laws are subject to interpretation and the current whim of the judge to set precedent.
There is a very real possibility the company could have any of this documentation squashed because it was obtained without court order.
Dan - Owner

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Where we lived before one of our neighbours was continually harassed by a gang of yobs.
We called the police on one occassion and when they came and spoke to us, admitting they knew who these people were, we suggested that next time we would video them with the SB's cam corder.
"Oh no," said the Police," you can't do that unless you put up all the appropriate signs warning that CCTV filming is going on.
As ever, the rights of criminals are paramount in liberal societies and to heck with the rights of law abiding citizens.
Nothing surprises me anymore about the stupidity of the law.
JMW
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And if those copies come in handy for something else, so what? It's not like I broke in and rifled through some top secret company files. These are personal work files.
"Gorgeous hair is the best revenge." Ivana Trump
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Keeping it on your work PC is fine... removing it from the premises in any form (email, electronic copy on a flash drive, printouts, etc.), especially if you are no longer employed there (which would be the case if you walk or they give you the boot), could be considered unlawful possession.
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It means no matter what hard evidence there is showing the guy to be a crook of the first order, if that evidence was obtained from an illegal or inadmissible source, any discoveries subsequently made are also inadmissible.
Much of the law is not about truth nor even about justice.
It's about the rules or legal procedure, the rules of evidence.
It is about protecting the rights of offenders.
JMW
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Also remember TV show law does not always accurately reflect real law any more than CSI type shows accurately reflect science.
Regards
Pat
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cvg, while employed, that holds up, assuming the company is made aware said material exists (or it's in the company handbook, etc.)... the moment she walks or is released from employment, the material must be immediately destroyed or returned.
Pat, the same holds true for your example... should the employee "magically" find the material some time after loss of employment and fail to destroy/return it immediately, they are in breach. The judge may even look down about the sudden appearance of the material after a lawsuit has begun.
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Like Ollie North and the shredder? It didn't do him any harm.....
JMW
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it all depends on your company policies or any employment contract or possibly on any local laws. our company has no requirement to make them aware of any data or document that is removed from the office. So far I see no policies by my company that require an employee to return or destroy anything they have.
The policy manual appears to be silent on this matter. I'm not sure what agreement, law or contract would be "breached". I think this might be better answered by a more qualified person such as an attorney...
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This I assume gets around the "taking company property (work) off premises" as it's still there, and it's immune to deletion as the originals may still be deleted (satisfying the goals of those who may find it in there interests) but the backups are hidden. Should they be required, there location is known, just need to find a legal way of obtaining them. It may be worth making a stash of documentation on a CD (40 year estimated lifespan) for example and locating it somewhere obscure.
I have a note at home detailing the location and brief contents of the files should I forget.
This is of course assuming they have not been discovered.
Will
Sheffield UK
Designer of machine tools - user of modified screws
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We'll just keep on wondering.
Mind you, "time capsules" have a habit of disappointing.
JMW
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I was once put forward for disciplinary action (which was suggested to my boss the day all the directors went abroad on business) for something which apparently went down the creek without a paddle and cost the company a fair bit of cash. It was a surprise to me as the only work I did on the project was a matter entirely unrelated. My boss found this also surprising when I told him I couldnt have been involved. He got in touch with the directors who didn't want to know about it.
When you get promoted from 'Design Engineer' to 'Fall Guy' it makes you inclined to keep private copies of just about everything which is discussed via a non controlled medium.
Will
Sheffield UK
Designer of machine tools - user of modified screws
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Been there, done that and got the T shirt.
Waste of time documenting it because directors never actually want to know what went wrong in case it is something they did.
So much safer to blame some one else, preferably someone who knows little about the job (that way they have no idea what went wrong either while who ever really was responsible could prove an embarrassment if picked on).
JMW
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An tradesman was hurt badly because he failed to lock out equipment, which fell on him. According to management, the engineer should have been there not his foreman, who is management, to ensure the tradesman was using proper procedures. The tradesman received no punishment and he was ultimately responsible for his own safety.
What a bunch of dumb butts. They lost the engineer and he's a very good engineer. Dedicated, too, beyond belief.
He got a letter in his file and no raises for 5 years because of that incident and the subsequent witch hunt that really wasn't a witch hunt.
It's stuff like that, which turns people against management. Bystanders get a bad taste, too.
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That's very stiff.
Fe
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I know how hard it can be to get management to understand the will of engineers.
That tradesman should be responsible for his own doing.
Fe
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It is the story of the scorpion and the frog.
JMW
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I have an extreme distrust of most managers' abilities to be fair, honest, and discerning and it's based on experience and observation of others' experiences.
I know there are good managers through experience, too. But, I think managers fit the Bell curve, too, so my hopes for cass's situation are pretty darn low.
I understand the depraved nature of humanity all too good. So Pollyannas always amuse me.
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Most managers are MBAs...
Not that I am in any way bitter...
I recall my dissertaion of "MBA Algebra" in a previous post. My opinion still stands.
Regards,
SNORGY.
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I have also worked with some very good and some very bad engineers.
I have also worked with some very good and some very bad techies and tradies.
If everyone around you is always bad, maybe you need to consider the common denominator.
Regards
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I have worked with many impeccable people. They outweigh the bad ones and those are the ones I remain in contact with. The raunchy ones I don't. But I remember what they are like and that management, even at the VP level, did nothing to help. When I went to a VP of HR, I got intimidation to a degree not experienced yet.
I have no problem admitting my faults, flaws, and failures. They are abundant. I work diligently to keep tight reigns on myself. However, I mess up periodically and when I do, I try to right my behavior with those I've hurt. I am sorry to have given you the wrong impression.
One thing I've learned through Bible study is that you cannot read that book for long without being hit right between the eyes with something you've been doing wrong and that needs discussing with God. I read my Bible just about daily. I have a huge bruise right between my eyes and it's permanent.
As for cass's situation, it is a cesspool because of a few people. The owner sets the tone and it is a bad one. My personal thought is the owners tone is evil. I am sure the balance of the employees are OK but unwilling to get their heads chopped off to do the right thing. Why would anyone expect a stellar outcome from that?
Some states I am registered in would take a dim view of airing dirty laundry in public to the extent that the guilty party is no longer protected. cass needs to review her state's statutes and code of conduct to clearly understand her position with respect to protecting her employer.
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I often ask project related questions on eng-tips, without identifying the project... they are either for information or to confirm my own thoughts...
If I have to post and think about someone taking it out of context or applying it in a negative fashion... then this is the wrong group.
At work, I keep my password on the top of my computer... and it's not that I'd forget it, but it's in contempt for the IT department. If I have to worry about security in a group of people I work with, then I'm working at the wrong place...
Dik
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- define what a manager is expected to do
- measure how they match up to expectations
Most managers I know are probably considered good by the directors else they'd be gone, and bad by me.[/li]look at the max and min for comparison.[/li]
Partly that's because most managers I have known may well fulfil their roles according to the directors and are pretty un-outstanding.
A fair few are pretty useless, still within director acceptability.
Maybe my problem is that I expect too much.
Maybe also I have worked with two or three really excellent managers over the last 30-40 years and only for a very short time because they didn't last long, being fast tracked out of middle management.
So I compare to what could be but what realistically can never be because middle management is regularly culled of anyone with any particular ability. What's left isn't exactly admirable.
The common factor?
Me?
Could be.
My expectations are not high because I don't expect much, but I can recognise a waste of space when I see it.
Maybe others are content and consider a good manager some one who sits in his office and stays out of the way or who lets the people get on without too much interference.
Of course, there may well be industries where there are managers who manage well and don't want to go up the ladder, where a middle manager in a car plant may be somewhat higher up the food chain than a middle manager in a small instrument company,
Maybe in industries which have a better respect for engineering and are heavily dependent on good engineers, you get better managers because you need better managers?
Who knows.
JMW
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Question: I have a question concerning project files. I have always treated my files as property of my client and myself. If someone other than my client ever requests files from me, I have always contacted my client to get permission to share a file with the third party. My files have recently been subpoenaed. I do know there is a lawsuit that is underway between this third party and my former client concerning a project we worked on. Am I correct in thinking that my files are the property of my clients and myself and to share these files requires both of our permission? Are we required to provide file and record information for anyone that sends us a subpoena? (Illinois)
Answer: A subpoena is a legal order generally issued by or through a court or governmental agency that has the authority under law to compel testimony by a witness or the production of evidence. Failure to provide the testimony or produce the evidence (e.g., documents, reports) could result in being held in contempt of court.
While you and your client may consider project files your property, that issue is entirely separate and apart from the issue of your legal obligation to honor the terms of a subpoena when it is issued by a court or governmental agency. You may choose to advise your client that your records have been subpoenaed, but you are not required to obtain their permission before honoring the subpoena.
Responses are based on questions posed to NSPE Legal Counsel Arthur Schwartz. These questions and answers do not, in any way, constitute legal advice. Always consult your own attorney before reaching any conclusions or acting upon any information presented in this forum. Also note that legal precedents change. An answer based on a case from several years ago may have a new perspective today.
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Generally files that you share with your Client, unless the Client is an attorney, are discoverable. It's more of a gray area where your own personal notes are concerned. I've never turned over my own rough notes that I used to make a report.
But getting back to the situation that sparked the debate...
On Friday I will be conducting my final review of the construction and preparing a sign-off letter. Of all the issues that were included in my report and repair scope, the one where the client changed the design is one of the more successful. After I caught them changing my drawing, a very much chagrined Client allowed a compromise between my original solution and their corner-cutting design. I worked out something with the contractor and had the area leak-tested twice. The problematic leak has stopped, but as I predicted, it moved the leak to another location (because of the compromise) but the new location is not critical. It can leak for awhile until the new owners decide what they want to do about it. I have more of a problem now with repairs that proved to costly or complex for them to complete prior to the sale. I'm curious how my boss will handle the final letter when it comes to the problems that were not addressed during the repair, but are in my report.
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Dik
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The client should not be "allowing" anything.
They altered drawings and got caught and are getting away with it.
Still, I'm here and you are there and its not my field. Technically I can offer nothing but I can't see anything in any of this that reflects well on your boss or the client nor that would make me trust them any further than I could throw them...
I wonder just how much is them "managing" the situation before reverting to type the moment your eye is off the ball.
I wonder how your bosses are going to interface with you now.
JMW
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I'm guessing she will become redundant very soon.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
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The Client has the personality and trustworthiness of a cross between a used car salesman and a carnival barker. I have tried every conceivable way to get across that I will not write a letter that misrepresents what was done. He comes back with multiple excuses and tactics to change my stance. A typical conversation goes something like this,
Me: I will write an accurate account of what was completed.
Client: I want you to say we did everything you recommended.
Me: But you only repaired one of these, out of two that were tested, and there are 37 more on site that show the same symptoms as the ones we tested that leaked that you have not touched.
Client: I want you to feel comfortable with the accuracy of your letter so you can say we did everthing you recommended.
Me: Then I have to say you did one, you promise that you might do one more, but there are 37 others that have not been done.
Client: I don't want that. I want you to say we did everything you recommended.
Me: So you aren't really interested in accuracy.
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Your client is wrong. With some of the problems in my neighborhood, I'd like to hang your client and boss out to dry.
Thanks for the update. I've been wondering how you are and recent developments.
Pamela K. Quillin, P.E.
Quillin Engineering, LLC
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Okay, more than twice.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
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He has already won a small compromise from you to change a drawing.
He is now trying to pressure you into making a false or misleading declaration.
I suppose this is a step forward but he isn't exactly contrite/remorseful ("I'm so sorry, I'll never do it again!").
Instead, where previously he falsified your drawings, now he wants you to do the falsification so he can be in the clear.
Your report of the dialogue doesn't show what your boss had to say in these meetings - I presume he was concerned enough to attend and support you?
Nah, I expect he carefully absented himself so he could plead ignorance and blame it all on you when the s**t hits the fan.
And it will.
PS Did you discover anything about the other violations affecting the HVAC? Is there something there just waiting its opportunity to blow the lid off?
PPS Did you ever get some professional/legal advice?
JMW
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No more information on the HVAC stuff. I wrote a vague letter to be sign my my boss that is subject to several things passing a water test tomorrow. My boss said that he doesn't want to argue with the Client anymore. He just wants to get paid. The Client has been withholding fees until he gets the letter he wants.
My boss said he did convince the Client that there is a remaining item that needs further destructive testing before an effective solution can be designed. We'll see. My guess is that the Client will snake out of it.
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But what do you bet that he will continue to withhold payments anyway.
Why do I get the feeling the client is going to go belly up rather than pay? (and your boss will both expect you to feel sorry for him and blame you). I bet he has everything in his wife's name and some of the bill's he has paid are inflated bills from a company his wife also owns so when he hits the buffers, he has creamed all the money out of the job.
The powers that be (government so no surprises it is yet another massive miscalculation) decided to streamline bankruptcy process in the UK. The net effect was legalised theft.
Here? Legal advise?
LOL.
Legal speculation derived from various different cultures.
JMW
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However laws of human behavior, including greed are pretty much universal.
A crook is a crook is a crook in any jurisdiction or culture and those that will cheat heir clients will also cheat their suppliers, quite possibly in some of the ways jmw suggests, although I am sure different jurisdictions have different bankruptcy laws. Iknow here any unusual payments to a creditor within the previous 12 months of going bankrupt are called preferential payments and can be and normally are confiscated by the receiver and placed with other assets for distribution to the creditors.
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Charlie
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It was a joke, I've read casseopeia's name hundreds of times, I didn't realize she was a girl.
Surprised I had to explain it
Charlie
www.facsco.com
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He also thought it a good idea to try and prevent profitable subsidiaries going down with the unprofitable.
It proved a gift to the unscrupulous.
It is now dead easy to spend like crazy in one company, shuffle all the stock and any cash off to a second company and file bankruptcy in the purchasing company.
The assets of the "safe" subsidiary are now protected from the creditors and the receiver in the defunct company.
A thieves charter.
God save us from politicians with voices in their heads. Or ideas beyond their comprehension.
JMW
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"Gorgeous hair is the best revenge." Ivana Trump
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:D
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Regards,
SNORGY.
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JMW
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"Gorgeous hair is the best revenge." Ivana Trump
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Regards,
SNORGY.