Using arrangements for large assemblies
Using arrangements for large assemblies
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I thought I had a solution to creating equipmemt layouts that would not overtax my workstation. My layouts show how several pieces of equipment are located in a production line and the location for air, electrical and chilled water drops. I decided to create an arrangement for all the major assemblies and suppress any interal components that would not be visible in my equipment layout. However there appears to be a major glitch.
The act of switching from the default arrangement where nothing is suppressed to the alternate minimal arrangement, where I have suppressed unnecessary components, wreaks havic with my component drawings. I must make mention that all our drawings exist in the same part file as the solid model. We do not use master model techniques for our drawings. Switching a sub-assembly component to the minimal arrangement removes the BOM entries and balloons for those components in the drawing. Switching the arrangement back to the default returns the bom entries and the balloons but I must clean up the table format and reposition the returned balloons.
What are my options?
Can I temporarily lock the balloons and BOM?
Can the view be made arrangement specific?
Would going to a master model where the drawing is a separate file provide me with any options not currently available?
Are there better techniques to accomplish my goals?
I have attached an image of an example of a typical layout drawing
Thanks,
The act of switching from the default arrangement where nothing is suppressed to the alternate minimal arrangement, where I have suppressed unnecessary components, wreaks havic with my component drawings. I must make mention that all our drawings exist in the same part file as the solid model. We do not use master model techniques for our drawings. Switching a sub-assembly component to the minimal arrangement removes the BOM entries and balloons for those components in the drawing. Switching the arrangement back to the default returns the bom entries and the balloons but I must clean up the table format and reposition the returned balloons.
What are my options?
Can I temporarily lock the balloons and BOM?
Can the view be made arrangement specific?
Would going to a master model where the drawing is a separate file provide me with any options not currently available?
Are there better techniques to accomplish my goals?
I have attached an image of an example of a typical layout drawing
Thanks,
I am using 7.5.2.5 NATIVE on Dell with windows XP OS





RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
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Ben Loosli
RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
Thank you for your response. Retrieving the whole model is what I want to avoid. The update times are excessive and I occassionally run out of memory.
I am using 7.5.2.5 NATIVE on Dell with windows XP OS
RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
The MM should avoid the issue of having to reconstruct the BOM with each change.
"Wildfires are dangerous, hard to control, and economically catastrophic."
Ben Loosli
RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
John R. Baker, P.E.
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RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
I certainly have been listening to the periodic and regular recommendations for use of master model techniques. We do use it for our CAM setup files. However till now most of the reasons to implement it for our drawings have not strongly applied to our relatively small engineering department.
The need to manage large assemblies may be what causes us to make the change to master model for our drawings. I'm not against it but I need a good reason to justify the change.
Thanks,
I am using 7.5.2.5 NATIVE on Dell with windows XP OS
RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
I think you've just been given another one
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.com/museum/
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - Robert Hunter
RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
You have already seen the advantage of using it with CAM stuff, so just bite the bullet and move ahead with drafting. Your systems will get a little extra life from the switch, but you should still be looking at Win7-64bit for new hardware.
"Wildfires are dangerous, hard to control, and economically catastrophic."
Ben Loosli
RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
I am using 7.5.2.5 NATIVE on Dell with windows XP OS
RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - Robert Hunter
RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.com/museum/
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
With the drawing and assembly model in the same file, when setting the base view for an assembly I can specify which arrangement to use. Is there a way to also tie the parts list to that same arrangement?
I am using 7.5.2.5 NATIVE on Dell with windows XP OS
RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
I felt like I was making progress. I created "minimal" arrangements at various assembly levels to suppress un-necessary componets. I created separate files for my assembly drawings using master model technic. Everything appeared to be working till I got to the top most assembly which is to be my layout drawing.
I am unable to place a base view without getting a "Update failure list" error dialog box. It states "modeler error occurred when updating hidden line display". I am given the choice to ignore, suppress or delete. None of these selections help. I have tried some of the suggestion noted in the detailed description, without success.
Also one of my components is not displaying as the minimal arrangement which is selected. The ANT shows the component is set to the right arrangement but the component assembly displays as the complete default arrangement.
I'd settle for figuring out just one of these issues today. I'm calling GTAC but if anyone here has any ideas I'd appreciate hearing them.
I am using 7.5.2.5 NATIVE on Dell with windows XP OS
RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
You're killing flies with a sledgehammer!!!
If all you want to do is to NOT display certain components in certains views, then may I suggest that you look at using...
Assemblies -> Context Control -> Hide Components in View...
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.com/museum/
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: Using arrangements for large assemblies
I thought I was following your suggestions. Use master model and arrangements. I will try "hide components in view". My goal is to be able to manipulate the assembly model file and drawing file for the purpose of creating a layout without excessive time spent waiting for my computer to process the model or the drawing views.
I am using 7.5.2.5 NATIVE on Dell with windows XP OS