Germany closes all nuclear plants.
Germany closes all nuclear plants.
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A decision taken by German government tonight says that (all) nuclear plants shall be closed by year 2022.
Gunnar Englund
www.gke.org
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RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
Gunnar Englund
www.gke.org
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Half full - Half empty? I don't mind. It's what in it that counts.
RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com
RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
That means electricity rationing as the grid will not be able to supply the demand anymore.
We can see wild swings in the KWh price possibly on a moment-by-moment basis. It may well become a politcal and marketing bonanza. Those well-connected (politically or socially) will get the better rates and more kWh than those not well-connected...
A question is: Will a remote cutoff switch at the consumer meter also be made a requirement?
Fortunately we still have gas in our apartment buildings, hot coffee and basic needs will still be possible. Pity those without gas supply...
rasevskii
RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
May you grow up to be righteous, may you grow up to be true...
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RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
hmmm...by connecting all the solar panels in series (on suitable insulators)one could get several hundred kV for a DC link to Europe, say the positive pole to Spain and the negative to Italy...an interesting challenge for the next generations of power engineers. Oh, and Earthed at the center point, say in Libya...
rasevskii
RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
Consider, upgrading bitumen to synthetic crude requires a lot of energy. Much of this is supplied by natural gas with lower carbon emissions than heavier fuels, but this energy could be supplied by a nuclear plant with further reduced emissions.
There are two basic processes to upgrade bitumen. One process produces carbon as a by product. Much of this carbon is burned with resulting CO2 emissions.
The other process involves adding hydrogen to the hydro-carbon molecules, with a slightly better yield.
Now, if nuclear energy is used to hydrolyze water to produce the hydrogen we have better yields and a process that generates oxygen as a by product.
A possible oil production method which reduces emissions and generates oxygen as a by product! (Grin)
Bill
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"Why not the best?"
Jimmy Carter
RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
Let the people sit in the cold and dark for a lond cold, dark winter and they will elect new leaders with some sense.
rmw
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RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
"You may be able to sequester that coal in abandoned coal mines."
Bill
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"Why not the best?"
Jimmy Carter
RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
We had a large mining industry until a generation ago, with modern well-equipped mines and 300 years of winnable reserves. We had a nationalised power generation industry which was the principal customer for coal. We also had natural gas from the North Sea which could have provided cheap fuel for domestic and commercial customers.
Now we have closed the mines, sacked the miners, closed many of the coal-fired power plants, burned all our gas in CCGT power plants in just fifteen years,
privatiseddestroyed the power industry and sold its corpse to the French, and are watching our energy bills rise every day.Never underestimte the stupidity of politicians.
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RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com
RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
Gunnar Englund
www.gke.org
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Half full - Half empty? I don't mind. It's what in it that counts.
RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
I know a losers trophy isen't much to talk about.
I still don't understand this desire to pick a losing idea, and follow it.
And if we don't burn our coal, we are willing to export it to China where they will. Hummmmm.
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As for solar, have you seen our climate? If we had a few more mountains we'd be sorted for hydro!
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We have the altitude for hydro, but we aren't allowed to dam the rivers with out an enviromental impact study. Which is dumb because the rivers don't have fish, except what the fish hatcheries put there.
Actually we do have run of the pipe hydro from dams created over 50 years ago. But they are all small. After all 1MW just won't go as far as it once did. But the diced fish make it smell bad. (One wonders why they put fish in high altitude lakes, where no fishing is allowed).
But because of coal, hydro, and gas (And they keep finding more gas), we don't have nuclear in the area.
They even found they can capture gas in coal seems that are not worth mining, and in waste dumps.
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It seems that the UK isn't alone in having politicians who know almost nothing about the electricity supply industry.
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Yes, and then some landowners will be able to apply for federal subsidies for sequestering coal in virtual mines, i.e. leaving it in place.
RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
Scotty you're half correct "Never underestimte the stupidity of politicians"
Never underestimate the stupidity of the voting public.
RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
I listened to an interview with two Germans related to the power industry. They said it was ambitious but that the various goals they'd previously set for alternative energy percentages had all been reached earlier than projected every time. They believed it was possible.
Keith Cress
kcress - http://www.flaminsystems.com
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RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
Several years ago I, with a partner, did a tour of East Germany, in the idea of investing and rehab of small hydroelectric sites at former mill installations, on several river systems. On almost every site there was nothing left other than derelict buildings and former canal systems. All the previous mechanical and electrical plant had been totally stripped out and evidently sent East as War Reparations. Under the following Communist political regime, it all went to total ruin. We visited ruins where not a turbine had turned or a mill had operated for evidently decades. Over 100 sites were covered.
However, on several sites, new small turbines and generators had been reinstalled, using the latest technology and remote monitoring.
An example of the stupidity of politicians. Removing all the old plant and the organizations and established interests that ran them had only made it easier to install the new.
rasevskii
RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
Yes, I had understood that the Soviets did implement their version of the "Morgenthau Plan" after the war. And it is ironic how a complete disaster, man-made or natural, that wipes the slate clean can eventually lead to a better result.
RE: Germany closes all nuclear plants.
in the end probably some old plants will be closed (like the ones in japan, old bwr), the rest will be given an extension and a couple of new ones will be built.