How many hours do you work per week?
How many hours do you work per week?
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Hello All,
I recently spoke with an old college friend and he said that he was working 60 to 70 hours per week. I feel this is way above average, but not unheard of. Anyway, this got me thinking...
I see a lot of salary surveys in trade magazines (Machine Design, Design News, etc.), but they rarely talk about hours worked. In fact, the only time I remember seeing any stats was in a Design News article back in 2008 (see attached). They reported the following:
Average = 49 hours
Median = 46 hours
I think this is important information to have. We need to know what the market trends are in order to know what is expected of us, stay competitive, and make sure we are not taken advantage of.
Would you guys like to trade stats? At the end, I'll work up our numbers.
I'll start us off. I think it would be useful to mention dicipline, region, and company size.
Mechanical Engineer
New Jersey, USA
Average = 45 hrs/week and 3 or 4 Saturdays a year
I recently spoke with an old college friend and he said that he was working 60 to 70 hours per week. I feel this is way above average, but not unheard of. Anyway, this got me thinking...
I see a lot of salary surveys in trade magazines (Machine Design, Design News, etc.), but they rarely talk about hours worked. In fact, the only time I remember seeing any stats was in a Design News article back in 2008 (see attached). They reported the following:
Average = 49 hours
Median = 46 hours
I think this is important information to have. We need to know what the market trends are in order to know what is expected of us, stay competitive, and make sure we are not taken advantage of.
Would you guys like to trade stats? At the end, I'll work up our numbers.
I'll start us off. I think it would be useful to mention dicipline, region, and company size.
Mechanical Engineer
New Jersey, USA
Average = 45 hrs/week and 3 or 4 Saturdays a year





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Australia
Average=38.0 hours per week, I flex any additional time. One Saturday of paid overtime in 7 years
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Philadelphia, PA
Average = 55 hrs/week and 2 weekends/month (I expect this to continue for the foreseeable future. ZERO paid overtime.
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In the office - 45 hrs/week
During business travel - 55 hrs/week (based on hours worked when away)
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Cheers,
Scott
I really am a good egg, I'm just a little scrambled!
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Since I "retired" and started a consulting business I have averaged 280 billable hours/month, call it 70 hours a week. Had a slow time last year where that was down to 120 hours a month and I went flipping stir crazy. Finally started developing course material to keep off the video games.
David
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-pmover
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Working more hours when the economy is weak is common.
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USA - South
40 hrs/week
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I'm here 50hrs, salaried at 40hrs.
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One or two per day outside of office hours.
- Steve
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60-65hrs / week
Usually on the phone most Saturdays
Sundays are just spent e-mail with overseas contacts
No overtime, straight salary.
Cabbages, knickers, It hasn't got A BEAK!
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39 hours (with flexi time so varies somewhat)
UK - part of a very large company
Will
Sheffield UK
Designer of machine tools - user of modified screws
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40 Hours a week. Not a minute more. Sometimes I feel the project I've been assigned to is not big enough to have one person assigned to it completely, and yet I'm one of three people at my company on it, plus we have consultants we pay to do the work junior engineers could do. The manpower and consultant hours are not my decision though. Hard to imagine why it's not as profitable as expected.
I spent a few months 3-4 years ago at another company working 80+ a week in the office. Got an entire $100 bonus at the end of the year for it. It will take a lot to convince me to work those hours again.
I do like commissioning work, so I will work extra to get that work done whenever it comes up.
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Mechanical Engineering
45 hours per week average in office, salaried.
Usually spend an extra few hours a week at night or over the weekend trying to keep everything organized so my direct reports are more productive during office hours and don't have to put in unpaid O/T.
--Scott
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For example, I take my laptop home every night and since we are a multinational company with operations and customers aross the globe the idea of an 8-hour, 9-to-5 job, has gone totally out the window. Like today; I generally work at home on Fridays (as I am today) and have been logged on since 6:30am local time and probably will do a final check of my mail around 11:00pm tonight. Also, when I'm on vacation I take my laptop and even if it's only 3 or 4 times a week, I'll still check my mail and maybe even work on some project if I have some down-time that I can't justify doing something else with. I know that sounds terrible, but when you're part of global a team, being able to respond to others in almost real-time and have them respond to you, whether it's one your fellow employees or a partner or even a customer, it helps keep things running smoother over all.
Now there are advantages to this situation as well. For example, two weeks ago today my wife had foot surgery and she will be in a cast for 6-8 weeks, however that first week she had to keep her foot up and basically couldn't do much for herself. My company allowed me to 'work-at-home' all of last week as well as each of the days when she has to go to the doctor as she can't drive with the cast. This allows us flexibility without having to worry about using sickdays, family leave days or vacation days. And while it is true that I'm not spening an unbroken 8-hours working at my laptop on those 'work-at-home' days, they are still getting way more than their money's worth (and look at the gas money I'm saving not having to make my 42 mile round-trip commute on those days). In fact, I suspect that on any given day 10%-15% of the people in our group (of some 700+ people) are working from home and close to 5%, for all intents and purposes, works from home 100% of the time (one of the pluses with software development).
Anyway, the bottom line, for many of us the concept of an 8-hour day, 40-hour week, went out the window once laptops got to be powerful enough and highspeed network connections become ubiquitous and our individual jobs became almost totally computer intensive.
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.org/museum/
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As PM, my job is to plan and schedule so everybody works 40 hours, not 50 or 30.
I have 8-10 hrs/week of commuting, which obviously I'm not paid for beyond my salary. I work 4 days in the office and one from home. Having that work-from-home day has increased my productivity and effectiveness a lot, not to mention improving my sanity.
I don't do more work when I get home from the office. It will still be there tomorrow.
To deal with a problem that I've created, I've put in 70-80 hrs/week for short bursts. I've even slept in the office to spare the drive during a real crunch. I don't create those sorts of problems often!
But aside from business travel, I've never worked a single weekend day. If anyone asks me why, I say it's for "religious reasons"- shuts 'em up quickly.
Salary is based on 40, but the bonus more than covers my OT. Better than that, it pays me to be smart and productive during my base 40. Feedback is a powerful thing!
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32 office hrs/wk, by choice
In 2009, when things were really busy, 40 office hrs/wk
Office runs 9/80, so every other Friday is off.
Probably 5-10 hrs/wk at home just dinking around or catching up.
Salary: I'm still amazed they pay me for this
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Structural/Civil Engineering
Residential, Commercial
For past 2.5 years, averaging only 5 hours per week
This week though, 20'
Shift has been from 95% Structural and 5% Civil 2.5 years ago, to 75% Civil and 25% Structural today.
Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
Motto: KISS
Motivation: Don't ask
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Sturctural Engineer: I averaged 60+ hours a week over 4 years. I got staight time for anythig over 90 hours. Went on field visits for someone else's project. Gave up Holidays and cancelled vacations for the good of the company. Tried to coordinate new marketing concepts. And it got me laid off.
Now:
Project manager: 40 hours a week. Thus far no complaints.
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Anchorage, AK
40hrs/week, a couple of 50 hour weeks (no more than 4 a year) when I'm really busy in the office. A handful of commissioning/testing trips that come up to 60 hour weeks, but those are very rare. I'm salaried, and uncompensated for OT unless in a business quarter I average over 45/week, and then I'm compensated on an hourly basis for hours over that mark (I haven't ever had this). We are very flexible so I generally flex my time for hours worked over 45 in a week.
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I don't work. I have a hobby with a paycheck, but my timesheet shows forty hours a week. Occasionally I do a late or an early, mainly traveling to one of the stations from my office in the middle of the system, or some meeting or another, but nobody watches me come and go for the most part.
Life is good.
old field guy
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40 hrs per week when I'm in the office, 50-70 when I'm on the road. I don't get paid overtime, and only get to bank time when I work on a weekend. However we are pretty flexible here, officially on paper I need to work my 40, but if I come back off a 60 hour 4 day trip and I shave a few hours it's not a problem.
I used to do project work, paid by the hour and I would work 90+ hour weeks on a regular basis. That was fine for me for a short time, but in the end time is worth more than money, and to me, weekend and evening time is worth more than the time during the day.
When you die you will never wish you worked more. If a company expects you to work more than you are paid for, and it jeopardizes your position if you don't, it's time to either move to a company that vlalues you more, or upgrade your skills.
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Salary (bonuses are rare)
40-50 hrs per week (I've hit 60 a few times)
Any hours after 40 are paid as straight time (not time and a half)
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John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.org/museum/
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
RE: How many hours do you work per week?
Mostly structural and construction forensics these days, with design work thrown in.
In the past, working for others, averaged 55 to 60 hours/week. Always on salary. Have never been paid overtime, nor would I expect it. I'm a licensed professional. I won't repeat my diatribe on this subject, as many of you already know my feelings on it.
I now work for myself and bill hours based on time available around family. Could probably focus a bit more and bill a lot more time, but I enjoy what I do and the mix of things I do.
In my last job for others, I was in my office at 4:45 every morning. I enjoyed the time before 7:00 am to get stuff together. I usually was home by 6:00 or 6:30, but also took time during the day to drive my son to school. Only lived 4 miles from the office. Was fortunate enough in my working for others to be in high enough positions that I had flexibility in my schedule, so made the field trips, sports events and such.
If you enjoy what you're doing, give it your all, have a balance with family, and make enough money to support your lifestyle, there's not much more you can ask.
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Why shouldn't an engineer expect to be properly compensated for overtime hours?
IMO, how many overtime hours your employers expect from you and how you will be compensated for those hours (if at all) should be a significant consideration when examining the quality of any existing or potential job.
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Engineering is a career profession. If you want to be compensated for overtime, put on a short sleeve shirt and a clip-on tie and work at your favorite fast-food restaurant.
Do some employers abuse this premise? Of course. Do engineers, and more importantly, the profession, advance as a result of this premise? Yes.
Engineers have relegated themselves to a second class profession, more often run by accountants than engineers, by compromising professionalism. This is just one example.
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I really don't see why overtime compensation is damaging to the perception of a career profession. Whose perception are we worried about?
That's the big issue and based on what I have heard from peers and other posters on this board, it is pretty common. What is to stop an employer from piling on an insurmountable amount of work, and then saying "get it done at all costs, you are a professional"? They have every incentive to push that limit as far as they can. There is also the issue of whether or not a proper balance of work is being distributed to all salaried professionals. I've seen the scenario where some departments of a firm work way more overtime than other departments, yet all the salaried employees in the company got the same bonus at the end of year based on overall company profitability.
How so? IMO, when it becomes common for employees to essentially give away 10-20 hours each week to their employers, then we are devaluing the profession. A fresh graduate making $55k a year and working an average of 15 uncompensated overtime hours is making the same effective hourly rate as person that makes $40k a year. I'd rather be teacher if thats the case.
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Do you legal professionals get paid for the time they put in?
But, if you are an engineering professional, you are not expected to get paid for the time you put in?
When did the "sucker" stamp get placed on our foreheads?
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My employer removed our bonus scheme, because it was bad for staff morale. Then they rearranged salary grades, so that we (plebs) can no longer get paid overtime. And then, for for fun, they've introduced a bonus scheme for management grades ... those people who already get a £5k car allowance.
BIG LOUD SWEARY WORDS!!!
- Steve
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It's clear that most of you are putting in more than my 45 hours/week. If that's your choice (or you have to in order to stay competitive), I have no problem with that. However, I don't see the obligation to put in 50 - 60 hours/week. I feel I'm giving them a good deal. I'm good at what I do and I give 100% while I'm there. I've heard the "you're a professional now" and "your job is to get the job done no matter what" comments before and it just sounds like some management nonsense (i.e. scam) to me. Where is the rule book? When I look up the definition of a professional, I just read that it means that we get paid to do what we do.
Don't get me wrong, I love what I do, but being at work for ten hours is enough for me. I have other things that interest me in life too (and not much time to pursue them as it is). I love hiking too and after a ten hour day hike, I've had enough of that as well!
I don't even have a wife and kids yet and I still feel like I don't have much free time. I can't imagine what it's like to hold down a family and put in a 60 hour work week. I guess I could if I had to, but not as a choice.
To the older guys:
Please put me in check if I'm out of line. I have an open mind and I want to learn. I'm just not getting it. The deal is that I give them work and they pay for it; it's business. I want to keep my customer happy, so I give them buy 8, get 1 for free. If they want to get greedy, I'll get a different customer (unless every other engineer is giving them more work for their money).
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You owe them 40. Give them an honest (meaning best effort) 40.
Don't let them or anyone else bully you. Life is important; work isn't. "Work" is what you do in order to be able to afford and enjoy "life".
You should only work more than required for one of two reasons:
(1) You need / want the extra money.
(2) You enjoy your "work" enough to make the compromise in your "life".
Don't know how else to put it.
Regards,
SNORGY.
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My last couple of years working for a salary, my hourly rate (if you assume 40 hours/week) was borderline obscene. My hourly rate based on the hours I worked was quite acceptable.
I WASN'T GETTING PAID FOR MARKING TIME, I WAS GETTING PAID FOR RESULTS.
My employment contract didn't mention expected hours, start times, quitting times, etc. It did say that I was "exempt" from the burden of collecting overtime (a phrase that always amused me). Those of you that think you are getting paid for 40 hours a week (or 35 hours a week in some countries), should really be in a profession with time clocks. There is nothing "wrong" with that mind set, I just see it as a path to considerable personal dissatisfaction. If you are getting paid to do a job that excites you, a job that you hate to walk away from at the end of the day, a job that you can't not think about on the drive home and while watching stupid TV shows in the evening, then I personally think that you have the makings of a happy life.
My last salaried job had three components: (1) I was the "technical authority" for several disciplines and felt that I needed to be available for a bit of most every one's work day (my choice, the person in the job now works 40 hours/week and does not take a cell phone or pager home), I got a lot of satisfaction from solving problems all over the globe with my crappy language skills; (2) I had operational responsibility for a group of gas wells; and (3) I had some of the administrative crap that comes with any senior engineering position. Basically I saw my salary as paying for Job 2 and those parts of Job 3 that I couldn't avoid. I got exactly the same financial benefits from Job 1 as I get from eng-tips.com. I spend a LOT of time here and don't bill anyone for this time. That was the same and if my company got a "free" benefit from it, so did I.
You have absolute control over your own attitude, and if you consider yourself a victim of "unfair" management expectations, then you will be much happier either trying to change your attitude or leaving (don't tell me that "jobs are scarce out there", I'm not saying you should just walk away from a paying job, I'm saying you should start thinking of ways to make yourself happy where you are, there are always ways). If you find it easy to consider just quitting, but feel imprisoned by your salary then you don't have ownership in your job--develop the ownership and the feelings will improve.
David
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Structural/Civil Engineering
Residential, Commercial, Industrial
-Last 5 years averaging 65 hours per week
-In by 0730 done by 1930
-Work at least 2 weekends a month even if it is a holiday
-No overtime pay, salary
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I think David and I speak from similar experiences. Further, we've both been around long enough to see the distinct decline in the professional stature of engineering over the past 30 years. I know I'll step on a few toes in this thread with my next statement, but I fully believe it....much of the decline of our profession is self-invoked by the very attitudes displayed here. Using that attitude, we as a profession, are asking the rest of the world to look at us an any other hourly worker. We are now on par with the auto mechanic, the hourly salesperson, the burger flipper and any of a thousand other jobs. As David noted, there's no dishonor in that, but it does not promote the professionalism that an engineering education and responsibility demand.
Someone above asked if Doctors or Lawyers worked without compensation, implying that they do not. WRONG! I know many examples of both who have done as many of us have....they worked because they thought it was an honorable profession...without regard to getting compensation for each and every hour put in. Doctors often make a lot of money. They don't typically work on an hourly basis but it does work out that way. Most appointments are for 15 or 20 minutes. Flat rate office visit. If the doctor needs to give you an extra 5 or 10 minutes to properly determine your health needs, he will do it...still under the flat rate. The only time that ever gets questioned is when that doctor works for a service run by accountants, not doctors.
Lawyers are a bit more overt about their mercenary ways! They charge by the hour. Most firms that I work with will bring an associate onboard and he will be expected to bill 50 to 60 hours a week until he becomes partner. That's why after a couple of years he'll be pulling down 6 figures.....but never by punching a time clock. Most of the ones I know still give away time to their clients. All of us do that.
That's exactly right. David also mentioned ownership. That can come in the form of company ownership or just the ownership of your own pride in your profession.
I'm proud to be engineer. It is not an easy path, any way you take it. I'm proud that I stuck through the 50, 60 and even 80 hour weeks when necessary. They got better. I progressed financially and in responsibility. I'm proud of the fact that I was selected to be in the top 1% technically in a company known internationally and considered a leader in its field. I'm proud of the fact that I became a corporate officer in that company and another without compromising my engineering involvement or being a corporate weenie.
There was a time when essentially all engineers felt this way about our profession. Much to my dismay, it seems to be a thing of the past. So punch your timeclocks. Grouse about your overtime. You'll soon be replaced by outsourcing. After all, that's what you've asked for.
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Thank you very much for your detailed posts!
Zdas04,
I hear the "getting paid for results" comment from time to time and it confuses me. Maybe it depends on what environment you work in. Where I work, there aren't any live or death situations where something needs to be done at all costs by a certain time. Customers order machines and we design and build them. Schedules are pretty demanding, but we manage. I feel like I'm given work to do and I get it done as fast I can and I do the best job I can. When I'm done, there's a never ending list of more work to do. There's no meaning in "work until the job gets done;" it's never done (or else I'd be out of a job when I'm done!). I feel like most people are pretty smart, come to work, and do a good job. "Results" sounds like something more epic is happening. I don't see anyone really blowing anyone's minds around the office. I'm not arguing, I just don't get it...
I really liked your comments on attitude. That was inspiring. I was recently thinking about how well I have it because of the division of labor. I don't have to grow my own food, make my own clothes, etc. I get to play on a computer all day and somehow that counts as "doing my part in society." Pretty good deal...
Ron,
You have lived through a transition in engineering. I am curious and would like to know more. I only know what I see today. How was it different from now? How have engineers ruined it for themselves? If engineers didn't change on their own, would their environments have forced them to?
I see old photos of engineers wearing suits and lab coats. It looked a more serious profession. Although, those looked like more serious times in general. Maybe it's society in general...
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Perpetuation of attitudes like that serve to do as much damage to the dignity of our profession as does an employee sticking to his or her guns with respect to a reasonable work week, because such attitudes force us to believe that we deserve no better than this. You either support that mindset, or you do not. I do not. My belief is to the contrary.
Over the course of time, we have driven ourselves as a profession into being forced into maximum effort for minimum reward in order to undercut or outbid our fellow business competitors. We have brought this upon ourselves for entirely the wrong reasons, and what once might have been "working overtime for the sheer pride in what you do" has become "working like a dog for fear of being fired if you don't".
There is nobody to blame but ourselves...the "Corporate Weenies" rule over us because that is what we have set ourselves up for, and we collectively either lack the brains or the courage to change that situation.
Let me state in advance that my stance should not be construed as a lack of commitment to what I do; I work a 50-60 hour week half of the year anyway, taking work home for free, etc., but the minute somebody says "...Thou shall bacause I deem that it is expected..." is when I say "...Osculate With My Gluteus Maximus...".
Life is short. Work honestly and put in a good effort, as opposed to stupidly for no good reason.
Regards,
SNORGY.
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I have seen a clear dilution of the stature of engineers. Much of that is our own making, unfortunately. As a societal group, we are somewhat introverted...even though within the group there are a few extroverts. When judged by other extrovert groups, we still pale in comparison!
As a group, we are more often than not agreeable to that which is thrust upon us. As business society has move to a much more profit motive than anything altruistic, the shift to force engineers to a purely hourly purveyance is a concern to the profession. We have quickly become a commodity...engineering services where once only technician services were considered.
We are not technicians. We struggle through a relatively advanced curriculum of science and mathmatics. We then graduate with degrees in engineering and go to work for employers who want to exploit our knowledge and capability....many times those employers are not engineers and have no concept of our obligation to professional ethics and professional advancement. When that happens, we must stand up and tell the employer...NO! "I will not accept this manner of treatment and employment as a professional..goodbye". If you are not willing to do so, then you will be relegated to technician status... It's that simple.
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I see it a little differently. I always refused to be a victim. When the corporate weenies wanted me to do something that I believed was counter to the best interests of my projects, I would explain the consequences of doing it their way and then say "no". If I was not compelling in my explanation then they had every right to replace (or fire) me. That never happened. I never compromised either my ethics or what I saw as the best interests of my projects, but I was quite prepared to take the consequences of that stance.
CM,
Don't get me wrong. The company that I worked for was run by MBA's and of the 175 engineers that started with the company during the month I started, 3 of us were left on the tenth anniversary. Many of the ones that left went out the door pissed about the hours, pissed about their treatment, pissed at the company. I knew many of them. All of the ones that left because they were mad (as opposed to the huge number who left because they were approached with offers they couldn't refuse) had said at some time "I'm only getting paid for 40 hours, that's what I'm working". They set themselves up as victims of "evil management weenies and their lackeys". Once you perceive yourself as a victim it is easy to rationalize stealing office supplies or spending excessive time playing World of Warcraft on line within your 40 hours, or (the worst sin of all) doing sloppy work.
As to the company not "giving" you projects that you can take ownership of, you are silly if you think anyone will "give" you anything. Let me share an example. When I started, I was the user representative and project manager on computer systems development. One of the systems I was responsible for (for 10 years) was the one we used to capture hydrocarbon reserves data (which encapsulated the value of the company). My predecessor on the system was a stickler for the progam exactly following internal company policies. If the laws changed such that the policies became more restrictive than they needed to be (which happens more often than you'd think), he would have the program modified to address the changed regulations within the confines of the new law (still more strict than was required). When I took over, I reviewed internal policies and federal regulations on my couch after the kids went to bed. I saw that our policy was resulting in our hydrocarbon reserves being undervalued by many tens of billions of dollars. I re-wrote the company policies (on yellow pads at home) and sent the revisions to legal. A month later with legal blessing I implemented a formal policy change and we restated reserves (and the stock price jumped measurably).
This long winded example was intended to show that even though your project may be proscribed to a small box, you don't have to be. Look for policies that hurt the project, look for equipment that is adding costs, look for organizations that hurt the project. Then find ways to nudge changes without looking like a know-it-all wiseass engineer.
I always made it a point to take time to BS with my colleagues about our projects and occasionally I would be able to tell "Bill" that "Bob" had found a cool work-around to a specific problem that Bill was currently having. This project awareness used to be normal and was always beneficial--by 1990 it had become quite rare. Today it is often seen by the clock watchers as butting in. So, I butt in. It is personally rewarding and if the company doesn't reward you for it, it will greatly improve your scope of knowledge.
If you can't find an indirect way to grow your responsibility, write a paper, get involved in an engineering society, offer to teach an internal class. Don't watch the clock.
David
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If I didn't like it, and wanted more pay, I would quit the engineering field and become a union laborer.
Chris
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I think it is foolish to waste your personal time on a job that will take you nowhere. That is what I ran into and did not like it. I know men who did it and got laid off in spite of their efforts. In the meantime, they damaged relations with their wives and kids. Those men have regrets. Is that worth it?
I've worked 45-90 hour weeks for years. I did whatever it took to get the job done and was going nowhere fast. It took me time to realize what was going on because I was so focused on the work. The HR Director finally summed it up for me.
I am single, no kids so it wasn't too hard for me to get caught up in the self-importance of doing a great job for the company. However, when friends began to not invite me to social functions, I began to realize the damage I was doing to me. I lived years away from home working in plants across the country. It's very hard to develop bonds with people doing that. You're always transient. We all need human interaction on a more intimate level than, "Looks like my work yesterday solved the problem."
You know there is a problem when the hotel managers begin inviting you to social functions on weekends.
I regret wasting so much of my personal time on work. Some of that work could have been done more efficiently had other engineers done their jobs correctly. It's hard to hit a target that other engineers cannot even articulate and have no interest in trying. But, I digress......
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It worked for my family mostly because my wife made it work. She is a confident, self-reliant woman who generally sees our family as something that is worth considerable effort. The legions of our friends that have gotten divorced have tended to miss the fact that a relationship takes at least as much work as a career. When I hear stories about "the job killed our marriage" I usually get in trouble because I mention that if either of them had put a significant portion of the effort that they put into their jobs into their relationship, the job might not have been able to do as much damage.
We can continue to be victims of a demanding career or we can accept who we are and set achievable goals for our personal life. Not being a victim has worked for me.
David
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If you're given NONE of the benefits of ownership, you're a salaried employee, and you should work like one. A salary is not the same as indentured servitude: it is not a fixed amount of money for any level of effort and commitment the company can demand from you. Everyone has to establish what level of effort, beyond the bare minimum required by contract, that they can give SUSTAINABILY to their employer. Each person must also determine the circumstances under which they are willing and able to give more than that- and for what compensation.
Don't assume that going well beyond the call of duty as a salaried employee will lead to a position of ownership in any meaningful sense. In most companies, it absolutely will not, for structural reasons. That's a polite way of saying that your contribution has been designed to be replaceable- you are a commodity. If you're attempting to buy goodwill from a boss, are you certain that boss will be there even next year? Storing up your reward in heaven may work with your favourite deity, but it's poor strategy down here on earth.
Again, we're not talking about extra time fixing a problem you created, or helping out your colleagues through a rough patch- that indeed is the minimum required of a professional. When this strays into consistent and hence unsustainable over-commitment, especially when this is compelled in the name of professionalism: then we have a problem.
As the Dilbert guy says, any amount of self-sacrifice that you make on behalf of your employer will be accepted. Not likely compensated for in a truly meaningful way, or even acknowledged- or even NOTICED- but it will certainly be accepted!
Services that are given for free in a commercial context understandably tend to be undervalued- by both the person giving and by the one receiving. If volunteering is your kind of thing, I suggest you find a charity.
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John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.org/museum/
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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Mixing topics, but what about us women who do not have stay-at-home wives to take care of the kids? When mine were small, working much overtime simply was not an option. Not only did my kids suffer from the lack of attention, hiring extra baby sitters cost me real money. No way was I not going to charge any extra hours I had to work.
Even with my aversion to overtime, I still go to be technical lead some great projects. I simply developed the discipline to get done what needed to get done in 40 hours, and to say NO to additional projects when my plate was already full.
No that my kids are grown, I still do not work much over 40 hours. There are too many other fun things to do.
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Being a professional means living up to your part of the agreement you made with your employer when they hired you, and occasionally going above and beyond that agreement to help them through a tight spot.
There is absolutely nothing professional about letting your employer or anyone else take advantage of you time after time and year after year.
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Occasionally we have to work late to help with a project, but that happens maybe twice a year.
But I don't even like working 45. Between that and drive time it really cuts into family time. But our hours are pretty set. Really miss flex time. It is so much easier coming in early and getting out at 3:30 or 4. 5 o'clock stop times is horrible.
Don't know how I would survive 60 or 70.
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I like to make sure at least 40 hours of productive hours, usually a bit more since In practice I get some flexibility in schedule. In terms of hours in the office or work at home, a good bit over 40 to make up for time I
wastespend on Eng-Tips or in excessively long non work related conversations etc..I have worked a lot more than 40 hrs at times, and ashamed to say a few times probably a bit less than 40 for one reason or another. Though I'm pretty sure I average well over 40.
I got rated as highly productive or similar this year by my boss, which I find amusing as I'm sure I waste a lot of time for one reason or another.
Some flexibility etc. doesn't seem unreasonable from my understanding of what it means to be salaried, however routinely working a long way over 40 seems questionable.
As to the issue of the changing status of engineers, I wonder which changed first, engineers attitudes toward their employers or the employers attitude to their engineers?
What is Engineering anyway: FAQ1088-1484: In layman terms, what is "engineering"?
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I've seen it work when one spouse had a "job" and one had a "career". That is how my wife and I saw it before our oldest was conceived. We had a friend about that time who's husband was a barber and was able to stay home to raise the kids. It was really a lot easier than it seemed at the time. I just can't imagine how hard it must be when both of you have demanding careers. Selfishly glad that I didn't have to solve that one.
David
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I did our totals and our stats are as follows:
median: 45
mean: 47
That's pretty close to the Design News survey.
I didn't include unclear stats or numbers that appeared to be for part time work.
See attached if you'd like.
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50 hours averae, but I also get paid straight time for every hour. So if it rains, I go in the office and catch up, if its beautiful out, I dont.
knowledge is power
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55 - 60 hours and get paid time and a half for hours > 40. No weekend work and leave between 12 and 2 on Fridays.
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"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - Robert Hunter
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"Art without engineering is dreaming; Engineering without art is calculating."
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As for where I work, almost no one smokes but the few that do can be seen out in the parking lot 3 or 4 times a day puffing away. However my beef is with another common 'vice' and management's attitude towards it. I've worked 46 years in the engineering field and at virtually very employer, when I was working out of an actual office, it was just assumed that the company would supply free coffee to the office staff. When I was in a small office they paid for a coffeepot and supplies and someone volunteered to take care of making the coffee, clean-up and so on. But in a larger office, like where I'm located now, they have an actual coffee service which comes in once a week and refills supplies and cleans out the equipment and make sure that everything is working and while someone does have to remove the old coffee grounds and recharge the machine, but since everything is all prepacked and the machine is plumbed into the building's waterlines and runs automatically that's only a 30 second effort.
My issue is, I've never had a cup of coffee in my life! But if I want a soda or a juice I have walk down to the lunch room (note that there are FOUR of these 'coffee stations' located so that no coffee drinker will be more than about 100 feet from his closest caffeine fix) and BUY it from a vending machine or if it's during lunch hour, I can get a fountain drink from the cafe. And as you may suspect, I've never smoked either, so I can't recall the last time I've NEEDED to take an official 'break'
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.org/museum/
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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Mechanical Design Engineer
40 hrs maybe 4-5 times a year I will put in 45 or so.
No overtime, no reviews, no hope of advancement, but we do get raises pretty often and are paid rather well for what we do.
SW 2007 SP 5.0
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here they have a "sin tax" - diet soft drinks are 10 cents cheaper than regular ones, and contractors have to pay more for any and all food.
To save energy, the thermostats were raised to 76 degrees, except in private offices and guest areas where is remains a comfortable 72. Four degrees can make a difference in work efficiency.
"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - Robert Hunter
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"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - Robert Hunter
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David
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I take the attitude in general on salaries that as long as you feel you're being fairly compensated then that's all that matters. Me currently getting paid 1.5 OT for a set amount of hours a week is what makes my salary for the current job acceptable; I've also worked another job where I was straigt salary, I stayed longer than the set 38 hours on some days and took off early on others that were slow.
What's damning engineering as a profession is not how we get compensated but how we let ourselves and our work be viewed to the public, saying that a engineer that charges hourly is ruining that seems misguided to me.
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John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
http://www.plmworld.com/museum/
To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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Salary employee
7am -5pm / 4 days a week = 40. (Paid lunch/breaks)
Any overtime is typical taken in lieu days later at 1 for 1.
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Used to work a 60hr week Mon to Fri.(Highway construction.)
Then got a local government job
Now doing 35hr and have a life again.
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I don't know about all this discussion about being a professional. All I know is that my parents taught me to always do my best. I have worked hard at every job I've had from the time I was a teenager sweeping floors at the theater. I have always given very good value for my time. People bringing up doctors and lawyers is a joke. Both bill for far more time than they actually spend. In fact, it is not uncommon for lawyers to bill more hours than there are in a week. They just use the hours to measure a unit of effort rather than literally. If we want to be more "professional" in that regard, then I should charge 10 hours for some tricky stress analysis that only took me 3.
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There are two ways I can think of,generally, to measure success: What you've accomplished, and how much you make. I guess the measure of success or failure for your example would be what they sacrificed and what they accomplished by not eating at home, and which was greater in their opinion.
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I personally believe the answer to your last question is "failure". Did that last year, got nothing for it - and I mean NOTHING - and basically lost a year that I could have spent with my wife.
Never again.
Regards,
SNORGY.
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A former manager's father-in-law was the vice-president of a major company. He told my manager that younger people were crazy for working so many hours. He didn't understand it. He never worked more than 40 in a week. If he couldn't get his job done in 40 and he was giving a good effort, they needed to hire more people. If he was goofing off, that was his problem.
Shouldn't managers be evaluated on their ability to identify the need to hire?
SNORGY, I hear ya'. I was criticized last week for not being something I've been criticized for being not enough of by others. You can't win sometimes but you have to keep plugging away. I agree with your answer, too, by the way. Are you doing OK?
Knowing men whose children were neglected because they worked or traveled with work too much helps me realize the responsibility men have in the home. Rearing children is not the domain of the mother only.
I also know being a workaholic destroyed my personal life. I wouldn't do it again.
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I am doing fine - thank you for asking.
Fortunately for me, I have a very understanding wife. She often works very long hours as well. We simply went through a period of work-imposed disconnect.
It was really, really stupid - and completely worthless.
Regards,
SNORGY.
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I spent years working too much and traveling for work too much. I've been single a long time so a spousal unit wasn't an issue. However, when my friends began to drop me from invite lists, that really hurt and was the beginning of realization of self-inflicted damage.
But, it's spilled milk and you don't cry over that.
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Regards,
SNORGY.
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During major overhauls I will work 12 hour days, 7 days per week, for several weeks. It wrecks your family life. I worked like this for many weeks during my wife's high risk pregnancy and it took 2 years for our relationship to recover. As a project manager I could be flexible with my hours and I was not willing to work more than 12 hours but some of the millwrights on various proejcts were forced to work 16 hour days. After working those kinds of hours I was always found it difficult to stay awake during the drive home.
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I don't really understand the whole "Learned Professional" exemption. One of the reasons I decided to major in engineering was that it paid a good salary. I knew engineering jobs were salary jobs but I never liked the idea of not getting paid for my overtime work. Working 12-16 hour days for weeks and not getting any extra compensation is a hard pill to swallow. Also, getting called in the middle of the night or during family outings and being asked to stop your personal life and attend to the issue at the plant without extra compension is tough. This wouldn't be so bad if the salary was far above what I could expect to earn in a hourly wage job. Many of the hourly workers in my plant have higher annual incomes than I do due to their overtime rates. One guy asked me why I became an engineer if there is a chance to make more money in an hourly craft. At the end of the day, it is about the quality of the work. I would rather do engineering and manage projects than repair pumps, valves, etc.
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Location: Argentina
7+ yr experience, in between Jr and Sr.
While working at main offices I´d say 40-42 hrs/week with no paid pvertime.
But when going abroad to be in the field living on project compounds, that will steeply increase to 78-80 hrs/week for 2-3 months periods. Of course the wages for "going field" are bigger, but sometimes if you make the math, the hourly rate you get is the same.
Of course, the average salaries for engineers here are much lower than in the US or EU, so many people like me will at least consider to earn those extra bucks.
Regards
Gerez
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John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Engineering Software
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
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To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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When the future's architectured
By a carnival of idiots on show
You'd better lie low
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Biggest regret is that the only time I've started the race car in over a year was to drive it onto the trailer when moving it to the new house.
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Richard L. Flower, P. E., LEED Green Associate
Senior Structural Engineer
Complere Engineering Group, Inc.
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New job 4th week with agressive schedule for new product line so I have been working 55-60 hrs/week but hope to slack off to 45-50hrs eventually.
Design for RELIABILITY, manufacturability, and maintainability
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As soon as work slowed a little they cut me back to hourly part time and then laid me off.
I will never work more than 40 hours a week again unless I get comp time or I'm working for myself.
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curiousmechanical (Mechanical) reach a conclusion with the stat's. Therefore when I can find a few minutes, intend to start a new thread, e.g., "why I work so many hours" or a similar heading where we can all share our thoughts and reserve this thread for its original intention.
If curious and/or others do not agree, let me know and I will not start a new thread. Maybe it makes more sense to share right here?
Avg hrs/week: 53 currently
weekends/yr: TBD probably about 6/year
discipline: Metallurgical/Mechanical/Mfg
region: North Idaho, USA
I forgot to list region. That is why I am re-posting here.
Design for RELIABILITY, manufacturability, and maintainability
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Electrical power
50-ish hours a week
Salaried.
In the current economic climate I'm grateful to have a reasonably well-paid job and to work with a good bunch of people. I don't work too many weekends and evenings / nights at present although that's likely to change as a big project moves forward.
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