Red in Color?
Red in Color?
(OP)
Ran across a specification that said the fire alarm pull stations shall be "red in color". As opposed red in flavor? Red in height? I guess if you requested orange pull stations there could be some confusion and you might get an orange flavored one. Anyone else find this silly?





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John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
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To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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Wait until you run into contractors who can beat lawyers when twisting the meaning of a specification.
Rafiq Bulsara
http://www.srengineersct.com
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Best practices for requirements traceability are "one sentence, one requirement." So:
Fire alarm pull stations shall be located in each room.
Fire alarm pull stations shall be mounted 48 inches above the finished floor.
The color of Fire alarm pull stations shall be red.
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It also takes care of the case where a word is usurped after the document was written (how about if someone in the 1950's had written "the alarms shall be a gay shade of red", you wouldn't think "happy" today) or the example above "the building will be green" does that mean it will be the color green or energy effecient? No way to tell today because "green" has been usurped.
David
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- Steve
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I just had to rush a change request to a vendor because the new version of the relevant IEC standards has changed the wording about minimum ground point size. Went from "M4 or No.6" to "M4", so I've now had to ask our vendor to put in #8 ground points.
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Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
Motto: KISS
Motivation: Don't ask
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Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
Motto: KISS
Motivation: Don't ask
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However, after reading the replies to the op, I must agree that specs need to be specific even maybe redundant at times. In particular I like the comment about usurped words. An lps for you zdas04.
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-Kirby
Kirby Wilkerson
Remember, first define the problem, then solve it.
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David
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JMW
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Hence the need for additional adjectives at times, duplicious as they may seem.
Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
Motto: KISS
Motivation: Don't ask
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Unless you are in the deep south where pin and pen sound exactly the same. So bring me a pin could be something to write with or something to stick with.
rmw
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Be careful what you ask for...
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"Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor." - Robert Hunter
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so if I asked you to bring me Tuna sandwich, might I expect to find a guitar between two slices of bread instead of fish?
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On the food names theme, my nephew used to call processed synthetic ham: "Square meat". Similarly my daughter calls any kind of ham that's in anyway pleasant (i.e. not processed): "The wrong kind of ham".
- Steve
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Arguably without that it's still an incomplete spec
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And if you don't know what a 'color key' is, years ago, just before we were married, my wife was completing 'Business School' which back then was where most girl went to receive professional training to become a secretary and one of her classes involved appearance and wardrobe issues and she had to first identify WHICH 'color key' her appearance (complexion, eye and hair color, etc) matched with so that when she purchased clothes that she could make sure that it would be compatible with her personal 'color key' and not clash. Being an engineering student at the time I kind of considered that to be so much a waste of time, but over the years she has continued to be aware of this and she did work for nearly 40 years in various jobs where she either had to look good for the bosses or where she interacted with clients (and most of those 40 years was in the health care industry so this included both patients and other hospital staff including administrators and doctors) and she was always considered to be very professional in all aspects of her work. After a while you discover that there really is something to this since it does help explain why some people just look awful wearing something which on someone else it looks just fine. I guess there was something to this as they really placed a big emphasis on this while she was taking those classes and I looked at the textbook and additional material provided and it did appear to be back-up with legitimate clinical research and technical references.
John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA
http://www.siemens.com/plm
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To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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But I fear we're veering off topic.
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"...He informed us that he like Tuna, but not Tuna fish."
Maybe he was confusing Tuna fish with Tuna casserole?
They say quarks have color and charm. color me me charmeningly red.
yeah way off topic
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Kenat; see my post 8 Apr 11 12:12 re your post 12 Apr 11 13:39
JMW
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Will
Sheffield UK
Designer of machine tools - user of modified screws
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What is Engineering anyway: FAQ1088-1484: In layman terms, what is "engineering"?