Racing using moth balls?
Racing using moth balls?
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I heard that if you place moth balls in your gas tank that it would be like turbo-charging you engine with pure methane. Can anyone elaborate on this one and give any pros or cons?
Thanks,
Ryan Lenahan
lenahan2001@yahoo.com
Thanks,
Ryan Lenahan
lenahan2001@yahoo.com





RE: Racing using moth balls?
Pros: mothballs have high octane rating.
Cons: mothballs burn with a huge amount of soot.
According to the article I read, after using the mothballs, the "hot-rodders" needed to overhaul their engines. There may be more cons than what I know.
RE: Racing using moth balls?
Rod
RE: Racing using moth balls?
It's just easier and safer to go to Price Chemical Co. and get a quart of Power Fuel. www.pricechemical.com
In a mixture 50% of the recomended dose, I saw an average of a 4 hp gain on an 80hp-baseline motor that I was testing. I'm planing on doing more test with the stuff this winter, just to see how much it helps or hurts under different conditions.
Craig-Hell Fire
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<Old ones were made from naphthalene. Something like 99.9%. Good psuedo octane boost and similar in nature to nitromethane. If the balls are not made from naphtha (I can't recall the substance used most commonly today), there will be no gain.>
Old mothballs were made from naphthalene, but so are some new ones. Naphthalene is C10H16. It is not like nitromethane which is CH3-NO2. Some new mothballs Are made of chloronaphthalene. It has the smell of "urinal cakes", not like old mothballs. The chlorine will eat up your O2 sensor when it's burned. Also, naphtha is not the same as naphthalene. Naphthalene is a pure compound, solid at room temp. Naphtha is a liquid mixture of light paraffinic and naphthenic hydrocarbons.
Naphthalene Nitromethane
CH2 CH2
CH2 C CH2 H O
CH2 C CH2 H-C-N
CH2 CH2 H O
RE: Racing using moth balls?
Bottom line----With the easy availibilty of genuine racing fuel, WHY BOTHER? Most pump fuel can be "boosted" a bit with an MMT additive, Penzoil makes a good (cheapest) one as do others. All the money spent on fuel additives is mostly wasted. 100 octane unleaded, 104,108,114 octane leaded all available. Just a little bit expensive I suppose at three to five bucks a gallon. Pales in comparison to fuel cost in the rest of the world---as much as five bucks a LITER!!!
Rod
PS---I haven't even seen a 'mothball' in 40 years!!!
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AVIATION GASOLINE: Avgas 100 LL, Avgas 100
Appearance and Odor: Blue or green liquid with a gasoline hydrocarbon odor.
pH: NA
Vapor Pressure: 38 - 49 kPa @ 38 °C
Vapor Density (Air = 1): 3 - 4 (Estimated)
Boiling Point: 75 - 170 °C
Solubility: Low PPM range in water.
Freezing Point: -58 °C (Max)
Specific Gravity: 0.7 - 0.8 @ 15 °C
SECTION 2 COMPOSITION/ INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
COMPONENTS
CAS NUMBER
AMOUNT
Aviation Gasoline
OTHER
100 %volume
Naphtha, light alkylate
64741-66-8
> 90 %volume
Trimethylpentane-2,2,4 or iso-octane
540-84-1
> 1 %volume
Tetraethyl lead
78-00-2
< 4 ml/gal
Ethylene dibromide
106-93-4
< 4 ml/gal
Toluene
108-88-3
< 10 %volume
Benzene
71-43-2
< 1 %volume
Chumley
RE: Racing using moth balls?
I stand corrected in my mis-use of naphtha as an abbreviation for naphthaline. I bow to your greater knowledge of chemical properties of various substances.
I was however just trying to point out that throwing mothballs in fuel may or may not help depending on what they are made from. Throwing a handful in the tank because your buddy says it will work isn't always a good idea.
Like adding nitromethane to fuel, it can be tricky if you don't know what you're doing. It can still be tricky if you DO know what you're doing.
There are easier and more cost effective ways to get a slight performance gain, and most of those come with instructions!
Cheers,
Craig-hellfire
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"Like adding nitromethane to fuel, it can be tricky if you don't know what you're doing. It can still be tricky if you DO know what you're doing."
I agree. I was surprised to see Price Chemical selling nitromethane as a gasoline additive because I'd heard that mixing it with gas could produce compounds so sensitive that normal engine heat and movement of parts could make it blow up before it even reached the cylinders.
I've used toluene several times as an engine and fuel injector cleaner. It's a very good solvent, better than many store-bought cleaners I've tried. I've added as much as 1 quart per tank of gas w/o problems. Gasoline already contains some toluene, and similar chemicals, so adding a little more isn't going to bother anything.
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They have various other additives and lube products too.
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Here's an idea from left field. If someone had a lot of carbon deposits in their cylinders and wanted to burn them clean, could they add some of the high oxygen content additives mentioned to get higher combustion temps temporarily? I've been told nitromethane won't have this effect but I don't know why.
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Now when it comes to removing synthetic oil deposit, you got me. I have yet to see anything other than stripping the motor and shot blasting, sand blasting and wire wheelling the chambers and valves to remove the build up left by synthetic oils which is why I do not recomend syn. for daily drivers. Even when you put the parts in a tank filled a strong concentration of sodium hydroxide/ water at 180F that won't touch it and neither does carb cleaner/cresylic acid.
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Interesting, I've never heard any of this. Could be the subject of some future experimentation.
One of the more remarkable cleaners I ever saw was just some kind of detergent in water. It was used to remove varnish from inside single cylinder, 2 stroke airplane engines. Acetone and methylene chloride wouldn't touch the varnish but a soak in this detergent would take it all off. I tried it once on a sample of baked-on motor oil for cars but it didn't do a thing.
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This site is a refueling site map. http://www.e85fuel.com/refueling/index.htm
mer250c
RE: Racing using moth balls?
Personally, I haven't liked the change to "gasohol" in my area. I've heard that the ethanol gives slightly less mpg because it releases less heat when burned so you get less power from the engine, a small percentage. I know it's a fact that alcohol burns with a relatively cool flame, especially compared to gasoline. It does raise octane levels and burns without soot, unlike gasoline.
>>> Question for the experts: <<<
I've asked repair shops and people online if anyone has ever heard of a way to retune an engine to get back the power lost by using gasohol (10% ethanol) and nobody has ever heard of a way to do this. Maybe it's just not an issue that local repair shops have had to deal with. Maybe some experts on this forum will know something about this? Any opinions?? I'm sure thousands of people would like to get back that little bit of performance or those few lost miles per gallon. Let's hear some ideas, maybe we'll come up with a good idea that's doable/affordable by the common driver (ie. nothing major like rebuilding the engine to different specs.)
RE: Racing using moth balls?
If your vehicle is electronically controlled, the PCM should "relearn" itself within a relatively short time by taking O2 sensor input and knock sensor input to trim the fuel and timing curves. This is the same way the engine learned the E-10 profile initially.
You can "fast learn" a system by disconnecting the negative battery cable or by removing the ECM-PCM fuse from the panel (ONLY WITH THE ENGINE OFF). This should dump the short term memory and force to relearn. Leave it off for about 1 minute.
Drive your auto normally (light throttle, no snaps or WOT) for a couple of days for the baseline, BUT it will retrim to a more normalized pattern over time.
Franz
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Thanks for the info about ECM-PCM relearning. This is also something I've has questions about in the past but I had trouble finding good answers to this too. I was surprised so few people could explain how the ECM could relearn or adjust to new conditions.