Changing the Conversation about Engineering
Changing the Conversation about Engineering
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http://www.engineeringmessages.org/
(I searched and didn't find this already posted here; please forgive me if it is a rerun.)
Hg
(I searched and didn't find this already posted here; please forgive me if it is a rerun.)
Hg
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RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
"How in the hell attracting candidates of 'increased diversity' does anything to resolve the current oversupply of engineers"?
Raise the demand. That will push up the price, and the supply will take care of itself.
The stakeholders in the NAE site appear to have interests vested in keeping the price down by maintaining and increasing the supply by artificial means.
Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
Ah, money shot- "Election to National Academy of Engineering membership is one of the highest professional honors accorded an engineer. Members have distinguished themselves in business and academic management, in technical positions, as university faculty, and as leaders in government and private engineering organizations. Members are elected to NAE membership by their peers (current NAE members)."
Yup, its the establishment pushing for more imported and or cheaper engineers.
Cheers
Greg Locock
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RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
Here's one approach to that.
Hg
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RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
Hg/TX, do you really think it's your image that's hurting the industry? I thought it was because the states dont enforce the codes which allows schlup SE's to underbid everyone dragging all our salaries down....
RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
Though one could argue that the states not enforcing the codes is because they don't take the engineers seriously who argue for code enforcement, which does go back to the image of the profession.
Hg
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RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
Allowing mediocre design allows mediocre engineers to exist.
RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
What is Engineering anyway: FAQ1088-1484: In layman terms, what is "engineering"?
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RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
B+W Engineering and Design
Los Angeles Civil and Structural Engineering
http://bwengr.com
RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
If the industry truly apreciated engineering expertise and experience by giving experienced technical engineers good salaries then we would not have engineers pushed into management positions that have no place being there!
Some people are excellent at the numbers, some people are better at explaining the numbers to laypeople or at the overall management. It takes different types and we should utilise peoples strengths rather than giving one limited career path that leads to management.
If I employ a plumber to fix my drain, I want him to be good at plumbing not to have a 'rounded experience'. same with engineers.
RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
What is Engineering anyway: FAQ1088-1484: In layman terms, what is "engineering"?
RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
Tobalcane
"If you avoid failure, you also avoid success."
"Luck is where preparation meets opportunity"
RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
Those are the standard grades over here in the uk for engineering consultancies but normally they are management or semi management positions. Normally those who wish to stay as a technical specialist are sidelined career wise though not as much here as it is in Australia or in my experience the US.
Each year Engineers Australia isssues a list of the so called top 100 engineers and they are almost all managing directors of companies (some of multinationals). Regardless of your education, if you are an MD or a director of a large multinational company then you are not doing much engineering. Do the society of capenters list all those carpenters that did a business degree as the countries top carpenters?
I have long had the view that it is our elders and peers that have let our industry down more than any external forces.
RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
We are now managed by accountants and lawyers.
- Steve
RE: Changing the Conversation about Engineering
Tobalcane
"If you avoid failure, you also avoid success."
"Luck is where preparation meets opportunity"