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What is "Tax" in electrical jargon?

What is "Tax" in electrical jargon?

What is "Tax" in electrical jargon?

(OP)
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to translate a transformer document from French and there are a number of references to "taxes", which I can't figure out.

Here are a few example source phrases:

¤ Pertes hors taxe ≤ 27 kWh (en voltage évalué et la température de référence de 20°C)

¤ Pertes de taxe (en 100MVA et température de référence de 75 °C.)
≤ 295 kW (Position de prise max)
≤ 249 kW (Position de prise évaluée)
≤ 300 kW (Position de prise min)

My attempted translation:

¤ Taxless (duty-free?!) Losses ≤ 27 kWh (rated voltage and with reference temperature of 20°C)

¤ Tax losses (in 100MVA and reference temperature of 75°C.)
≤ 295 kW (max tap position)
≤ 249 kW (rated tap position)
≤ 300 kW (min tap position)

Any idea what "taxes" might be in this context?

Thank you very much in advance.

:-Marco

RE: What is "Tax" in electrical jargon?

My guess would be:
Pertes hors taxe =  no-load losses
Pertes de taxe = load losses
 

RE: What is "Tax" in electrical jargon?

(OP)
@ghchrist, thanks for your suggestions, but there's already "pertes due à la charge" for load losses, and "courant à vide" for "Load Current"...

But perhaps you're right, it's just another way to say the same thing?
Any other guesses?

RE: What is "Tax" in electrical jargon?

I don't know any French, but looking at the overall layout of the quote, could 'taxe' mean per unit based on 100 MVA?

RE: What is "Tax" in electrical jargon?

Marco,

I work both in French and English and what you might have here is a bad translation from a third language.

Associating "taxe" with kwh makes sense in a transformer spec only if you what to factor losses in order to compare multiple designs TOC (capital + operating/losses).

When I worked for a utility we were providing suppliers with the losses cost per kwh and since we were not paying taxes the $ number was given without the taxes.

If you can provide the context/origin of the doc I might be able to contact someone there (EDF? Hydro-Quebec?) or just call them.

Daniel

RE: What is "Tax" in electrical jargon?

(OP)
Hi Desrod,
Thanks for your insight and generous offer!
Unfortunately as a translator I rarely know who the end client is, but I'll be sure to forward your comments to the translation agency.

Maybe it really is as simple as rbulsara suggests: maybe they're simply "taxable" vs. "non-taxable" losses.

I'll keep you posted!
Thanks everyone!

RE: What is "Tax" in electrical jargon?

Maybe if you attach the full document it will help more ...

RE: What is "Tax" in electrical jargon?

Rafiq,

It is a trick we use here to have people stay longer!

Luckely GPS are here now and could be set in a number of language.

Hope you will come visit again

Daniel

RE: What is "Tax" in electrical jargon?

Daniel, Thank you! Always enjoyed visits to Canada and will surely be visiting again.

 

Rafiq Bulsara
http://www.srengineersct.com

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