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Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

(OP)
I was recently challenged at a site inspection by the adversarial engineer to produce my pocket ID card that we are required to carry for this particular state.  I am licensed and current, but shame on me, I did not have my card.  He says he is reporting me to the Board.

I generally peruse the quarterly letters of states where I am registered, but have never seen someone admonished for not carrying their card.

This ever happen to anyone?

IC

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

Never have been requested to show it.  Never the less, I do carry it with me at all times.  It's in my wallet, right next to all of my other ID forms that I need to carry.

--Scott
http://wertel.eng.pro

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

Dear Imminent,

That is the most unfortunate thing I've ever heard regarding PE credentials.

Yes, I carry mine in my work folio.

No, I've never been asked to present it.

No, I've never heard of anyone being cited -- for the card, or for the wall-mount certificate.

Tennessee is my locale...

Good on ya,

Goober Dave

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

I do not carry, but 2 of the 4 states do not require it.  I have to look to see if the others do.

I have never been asked for them, either.  

That guy is looking to make friends isn't he?

 

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

I don't carry them, and I comply with the Paperwork Reduction Act by doing it.

My wallet is thick enough already.

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
Motto:  KISS
Motivation:  Don't ask

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

I'd report him to the Boards, no kidding.

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

Wow, what a jerk.


I carry mine in my wallet, but mainly just so I don't lose it.  I'm no expert, but I've never heard of some sort of legal mandate to carry your PE card.

 

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RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

No worries.  I'm sure your State Board will be bored with his complaint.  

FYI, he's probably a disgruntled former Blegoyavich (sp - sorry), under the table employee.  He was looking for a bribe and you didn't pick up on that?  Shame on you!  bigsmile

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
Motto:  KISS
Motivation:  Don't ask

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

LOL, Mike.

By the way, what state is it?  Just curious to see the wording.

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

What a jerk!  Tell him to kiss you where you usually carry your wallet.
 

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

I carry mine.  I've been asked to show it twice.  First time they needed a copy of it to issue my business license.  Second time was a Supply Chain Management IDIOT (was that redundant?) who demanded that I provide a copy (he wouldn't take three steps and copy it, I had to leave and return with a copy) before he would sign off on my doing a project.  Other than that it just sits in my wallet and every couple of years (when it is nearly unreadable) they issue me a new one.

David

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

Have carried mine on occasion, but not required in my state, so haven't done it for a while.  My credentials have never been questioned. With internet access to licensing data, it seems a bit ridiculous.  

If your state requires it, carry it. If not, who cares?

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

He says he is reporting me to the Board.
You laugh out loud.

It's good to incorporate some humour into your workday.

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

Just remember that when you are reported to the IRS by someone, it also opens them up to an audit.  

Same principle applies here...

Mike McCann
MMC Engineering
Motto:  KISS
Motivation:  Don't ask

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

I would have to carry over 40 of them - no WAY!!

As a matter of fact - most of my rubber stamps have been purchased without any ID or verification by the State Board...

Go figure..

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

Can anyone post a link to a law or rule in any jurisdiction that requires carrying your PE card?

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

Around here they don't even give you a ticket if you leave your drivers license home.  

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

De minimis non curat lex.

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

There you go talking Greek again.

David

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

(OP)
Thanks all.

I'll just have to wait and see if I hear from the Board.  

It will really irk me if I do get disciplined, since I will then have to notify other states where I'm licensed and check the dreaded "Have you ever been disciplined by any jurisdiction" box on any future comity applications.

IC

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

IF for some dumb reason he actually reports you and IF the Board is so bored that they look into it - I am sure the most they will say - "Yes - that is a rule in this state" and please remember to carry your wallet card.

THAT IS NOT BEING DISCIPLINED - just a reminder.....

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

I checked and find nothing requiring a Texas PE to carry the card in the Texas rules.  We have to send a copy to our department secretary to get business cards showing engineer in the title.  I think that I downloaded my card as a PDF at my last renewal.

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?


I would research the particular state's laws and rules, but I am unaware of anything as absurd at as having to have your PE wallet card on your person like a "concealed carry" license in the states where I hold a PE/SE.

There are probably no laws/rules on the state books and it would take an extremely over-zealous PE Board to discipline such a silly rule in this electronic day and age, even if there was.

HOWEVER, most all states require that a professional engineer act...as a professional and be courteous and respectful to one's professional colleages. The adversary engineer is perhaps not meeting this requirement in this instance and could receive disciplinary action himself.

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

Quote (sundale):

HOWEVER, most all states require that a professional engineer act...as a professional and be courteous and respectful to one's professional colleages. The adversary engineer is perhaps not meeting this requirement in this instance and could receive disciplinary action himself.

Do that if and only if he's reporting you.

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

Does your state have on-line license verification?  If so, then his complaint is bogus, since the on-line system is specifically intended to deal with this situation, and there would generally be no need to carry your card with you.

TTFN

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Especially if your phone has web access.

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

My state doesn't even issue the cards any more.  If you want one, you have to specifically request one.

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

In NY, we get a 5" x 8" certificate.  On the back it says that we are required to display the certificate in each office we practice.  If we do not practice in an office, we are required to have the certificate available for inspection at all times.


 

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

5" x 8" in the wallet



 

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

I get one of those cards every year.  It's never occurred to me, not even once, that I should carry it.

Hg

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RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

Mike makes a good point about the stamps.  I bought my PE stamps in metal and rubber.  I am sure that I provided the regulations regarding the stamp details to the supplier.  I don't think that I provided any documentation to prove my identification or my license.  Things are more closely controlled today.  However I am willing to bet a buck or so that any clown could have some printer or stamp maker provide a PE stamp for any name or any state.

Ethics are for the ethical.  With a bit of time and money those who lack ethics can easily violate regulations.  I would also bet that in certain areas (by geography and industry) this is done and rarely caught.  If stamping documents can provide large financial gain then the state board cannot prevent such behavior.

If you go to the trouble to get the license then obey the rules including silly stuff like carrying the card.  winky smile

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

What was his authority to ask you to show him your card?

RE: Do you actually carry around your PE pocket ID card?

Two comments:
1) I'm on the DE PE Law and Ethics Committee, and we would never discipline someone for not carrying a crad - if it's even listed anywhere as a requirement. As noted earlier, online registration verification outdates card carrying.
2) I just ordered a DC PE rubber stamp, and to support what's being said in this thread, there was no request for anything official, not even my PE number! THey just used what I gave them! This was an outfit in NY. They got it to me quick enough. I suppose it's not on them to verify accuracy or legitimacy.
John M

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zdas04
It was Latin not Greek, but I know what you mean!TheTick is trying to show he's more edumacated than us. EVERYONE knows De minimis non curat lex translates to "the minimal Les' non-curly!

ponderSomething to think about
 
 

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