Dehumidification with cooling coils only
Dehumidification with cooling coils only
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Hi all,
I am currently employed as an intern at a lyophilization facility. The facility is broken into zones including an office space, mechanical space and clean rooms for lyophilization. The relative humidity requirement for the clean rooms is 40% or lower to discourage the growth of mold. However, in summer months the HVAC system has been unable to maintain below about 60%. Our chillers are set to put 42 degree chilled water through the cooling coils in our makeup air unit and 2 air handler units.
The majority of the moisture is removed by the cooling coil inside the make up air unit. Once this air has entered the air handlers, the cooling action inside of those air handlers removes relatively (compared to the make up coil) little moisture from the air because it is 90% recycled from the building. I believe our humidity problems are due (at least partially) to the cooling coil in the make up unit being completely saturated with condensed moisture, making it unable to remove as much moisture as it could potentially do at that temperature, as well as possibly dispersing water droplets into the air.
My question is, is there any way that we can achieve 40% RH in the rooms using only cooling coils? Would it be practical to simply add another cooling coil within the makeup unit to extract more moisture? A dehumidification skid would be extremely difficult to fit into our mechanical space.
If that won't work, we thought about possibly adding a refrigerant coil (with compressors and all that fun stuff) as an alternative to an entire dehumidifier unit.
I apologize if my question is unclear. I would appreciate any help I can get on this!
I am currently employed as an intern at a lyophilization facility. The facility is broken into zones including an office space, mechanical space and clean rooms for lyophilization. The relative humidity requirement for the clean rooms is 40% or lower to discourage the growth of mold. However, in summer months the HVAC system has been unable to maintain below about 60%. Our chillers are set to put 42 degree chilled water through the cooling coils in our makeup air unit and 2 air handler units.
The majority of the moisture is removed by the cooling coil inside the make up air unit. Once this air has entered the air handlers, the cooling action inside of those air handlers removes relatively (compared to the make up coil) little moisture from the air because it is 90% recycled from the building. I believe our humidity problems are due (at least partially) to the cooling coil in the make up unit being completely saturated with condensed moisture, making it unable to remove as much moisture as it could potentially do at that temperature, as well as possibly dispersing water droplets into the air.
My question is, is there any way that we can achieve 40% RH in the rooms using only cooling coils? Would it be practical to simply add another cooling coil within the makeup unit to extract more moisture? A dehumidification skid would be extremely difficult to fit into our mechanical space.
If that won't work, we thought about possibly adding a refrigerant coil (with compressors and all that fun stuff) as an alternative to an entire dehumidifier unit.
I apologize if my question is unclear. I would appreciate any help I can get on this!





RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
Maybe all you need is OSA adjustment. Did this system ever perform before?
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
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RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
your approach to mainly treat fresh air is good, but you also have infiltration and internal water gains (humans, spilled water etc.).
you could look on a psychromatic chart and see how cold your air needed to be to give you 40% at space temperature. You also should investigate raising space temperature (since air is dry it wil be comfortable enough).
If you barely get below 60% you may have infiltration problems (or live in humid climate, or both). Achieving 40% will be difficult before you fix that.
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
Unfortunately we have limited data with which to determine the percent makeup air. The systems were designed for 10% fresh air vs. 90% recirculated air, but the exact percentage varies depending on the flow rates we set in the air handlers and mua. Based on the flow rate of the mua inlet into the air handlers, I think 10% is reasonable.
@willard3
The outside air is (currently) 76% RH and 82.3 degrees fahrenheit. Wet bulb and dry bulb temperatures are not given. Our system is able to maintain the correct RH in the winter when the outside air is cooler and dryer.
@abbeynormal
Could you be more specific? We have reheat coils before all the rooms. We have tried reducing the temperature setpoint within the air handlers so that the air temperature fluctuates more in the hope that this would wring out more moisture (this did not work).
@walz and HerrKaLeun
After a preliminary google it looks like these machines are still fairly large. Again, I am looking for a solution that preserves our ductwork and uses little to no floorspace. It might be impossible but I am just trying to confirm that.
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
You have to have the supply air with a lower dew point than what you need to maintain in the room for your 40% RH.
So it could be possible that your system will have to cool the air down low enough to get the proper dew point but then it becomes too cold that it wants to drive the space temperature down low. You would use reheat to warm up the supply air a bit so that your clean room does not get over cooled.
A desicant system would be one way around using reheat.
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RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
since you have a clean room, there may be a problem with cross-contamination (some % of return air will mix in the supply), but that isn't a problem as long as you keep one ERV for each ventialtion zone (i.e. don't use the same system for your bio lab and your chemical lab at the same time)
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
That sounds like an easy solution. In fact many of our clean room supply units already have an additional cooling coil and reheat coil installed (though they are normally unused).
My understanding of this subject is very limited, so I would appreciate anyone here educating me should they spot ignorance.
We have tried further cooling the air in the air handlers and then reheating it at the rooms, which had almost no impact. Does the amount of cooling correspond to greater removal of moisture? Considering that all cooling coils are running at the same chilled water setpoint (approximately 42 degrees fahrenheit) is it feasible for us to remove additional moisture in this way?
As I understand it, reheating the air before cooling it should not make much difference as the dewpoint will be the same. Unless the moisture isn't fully condensing at our initial cooling coils I don't understand how cooling the air again at the same chilled water temp could help.
So my challenge right now (I think) is figure out the level of humidity that our cooling should achieve, and then compare it to what we are actually getting.
I've been trying to look up the percent humidity that corresponds to our level of cooling, with little success.
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
An example at sea level then could be maintaining 75F @ 40% RH. This is a dew point of 49F. The air off of the cooling coil will need a dew point lower than 49 by the amount that the internal latent load calls for.
Perhaps you would need a 48F supply dew point. So you would determine, "Can my cooling coil give me air with a dew point of 48F, using chilled water supply of 42F?" If the answer is yes, then most likely the dry bulb and wet bulb are going to be down at 49F as well, so this is where you need the reheat.
If the answer is no, then repeat the process and see if 40F water can get your supply dew point down below 49F (to whatever your calcualtions say you need)
If 40F Chilled water will not do it, maybe start thinking about supplemental dehumidification - mechanical or dessicant
If you are reheating and cannot control the humidity, the dew point of the supply air is too high
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RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
Likewsie to control humidity in a space, you have to supply air to the space with a dew point lower than the dew point that you wish to maintain in the space.
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RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
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RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
Let's go back to this sentence from the original question:
"The relative humidity requirement for the clean rooms is 40% or lower to discourage the growth of mold."
If this is indeed a clean room with HEPA-filtered air entering the room, where would the mold spores come from?
The HEPA-filters should be pretty effective at removing the spores (although mold spores can vary quite a bit in size over the different types of mold).
Having a RH lower than 50% or so will inhibit growth of mold. But if there are no spores to begin with, what is the use of actually lowering the RH to 40%?
What I mean is: Is there actually mold growth in the clean room when it is at 60% RH ???
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
There has been a lot of info thrown at you here. A couple of key points: You cooling coils will only remove moisture down to the dew point and the air leaving the coil will be nearly saturated (i.e. 100% RH). Some of the air bypasses the coil surface, so even with a 42 deg chilled water temp, your discharge air might be only 55 degrees, again saturated. I don't see that you have posted the discharge air temp from the air handler or the desired room temp. Do you know them?
But if the air from the unit is near 55 deg, you will never get 40% RH unless you let the room temperature get very high (85 deg or so). This is obviously unacceptable. Reheating the air will only help if you have excess cooling. In other words, if you can drive the air down low enough and have enough cooling to drop the dew point, then you could reheat the air to make the space comfortable. But, how low do you need to go??? Probably down near 45 deg, which you probably can't get out of the coil. Room temp as I mentioned earlier plays a big part in the %RH. You want to keep the room temp as HIGH as possible without causing comfort or process issues in the room. The higher the temp, the lower the %RH.
I hope I'm not adding to the confusion, but one other thing. You mentioned that you only have 10% outside air. You might want to increase that amount to help pressurize the room and keep out the infiltration. Of course, when you do this, you are taxing your coil even more and probably increasing the %RH.
Bottom line, I wouldn't try to achieve 40% with a chilled water system if I were starting from scratch. I would definitely use a desiccant system, but they are large and expensive. Since you are trying to make an existing system work, I would drop the temperature as low as possible in the air handler and then re-heat it up (after the cooling coil) to as high as possible without causing issues in the room. You still won't hit 40%, but you should be able to beat 60%.
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
It has a huge impact on how moisture is removed. Clean rooms are interesting in that the air recirc units generally flow so much air that if you actually drove the LAT off the coil low enough to remove humidity you would turn the space into a meat locker or waste tremendous amounts of energy on reheat. I've successfully handled humidity 3 ways in clean rooms:
In arid climates, we generally have to add humidity to hold 68-72dB and ~45%rh.
In climates with higher humidity I have used both munters units and simple 8 row coil chilled water units to provide very low dew point makeup air and modulated how low we brought the dewpoint based on cleanroom conditions (ie: backed off the regen if humidity is within design range.)
Also in hot humid climates or spaces that internally generate humidity, I have used recirc fans in lieu of ARUs and had a side stream style cooling coil, so I could take some percentage of the recirc air, cool it using only chilled water to as low as possible (say 42-44wB) and mixed that back with the 72°F recirc air to provide both cooling and dehumidification to the space.
Of course, in clean room design every solution must be application specific.
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
RE: Dehumidification with cooling coils only
Think of your airflow like a sponge that is saturated with water. If you sqeeze the sponge (pass air across a cold coil)the water is dropped out but the sponge is still just as wet per volumn. Now if you open your hand and let the sponge expand (reheat the air causing it to expand)the sponge is drier per volume and so is the air.
With this in mind your air leaving the coil while cold is compressed and still containing a high percentage of moisture. Reheat is needed.